Comments on: Alabama Endorsements: Obama 2 to 1 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/ Suburban Mom-Employed-Outside-the-Home Gone Bad Mon, 15 Mar 2010 04:57:27 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Almod http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-297156 Almod Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:16:48 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-297156 Yeah, there's a guy who's been writing in to the B'ham News with the very same views and has been bashed about it. Catholics also do not generally recognize divorce, and one would have to question the support of Catholics behind a presidential candidate who was an adulterer. It's ridiculous, to be honest. There's no such thing as a perfect human being, and that's that. Yeah, there’s a guy who’s been writing in to the B’ham News with the very same views and has been bashed about it. Catholics also do not generally recognize divorce, and one would have to question the support of Catholics behind a presidential candidate who was an adulterer.

It’s ridiculous, to be honest. There’s no such thing as a perfect human being, and that’s that.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-297131 Kathy Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:23:39 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-297131 Almod, I heard <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96281602" rel="nofollow">a story on NPR</a> this morning about Douglas Kmiec, a pro-life Catholic who supports Obama and has taken heat from the Catholic Church about it: <i>"We are not baby killers," Kmiec said. "We are simply finding an alternative way to build up life, to honor the truth of the human person, to promote human good." He also told the students that Obama's policies would reduce the number of abortions more than McCain's would. Kmiec says the position goes beyond abortion — it includes health care, living wages, caring for the poor. Kmiec has paid dearly for his endorsement. He's been denied communion, he's been publicly criticized by a U.S. bishop, and he's been told by many fellow Catholics that he's going to hell. Kmiec says he's following the moral teachings of the Catholic Church. In an interview, he noted that the U.S. Catholic Bishops tell Catholics in their document Faithful Citizenship, to judge candidates by their stand on a variety of moral issues. "If they just wanted to say, find the candidate who labels themselves pro-life, and vote for that candidate, they wouldn't have given us a 36 page document," he says. "They would have sent us a postcard or printed a line in the bottom of the parish news letter."</i> Sounds a lot like what you're saying. Almod, I heard a story on NPR this morning about Douglas Kmiec, a pro-life Catholic who supports Obama and has taken heat from the Catholic Church about it:

“We are not baby killers,” Kmiec said. “We are simply finding an alternative way to build up life, to honor the truth of the human person, to promote human good.”

He also told the students that Obama’s policies would reduce the number of abortions more than McCain’s would. Kmiec says the position goes beyond abortion — it includes health care, living wages, caring for the poor.

Kmiec has paid dearly for his endorsement. He’s been denied communion, he’s been publicly criticized by a U.S. bishop, and he’s been told by many fellow Catholics that he’s going to hell.

Kmiec says he’s following the moral teachings of the Catholic Church. In an interview, he noted that the U.S. Catholic Bishops tell Catholics in their document Faithful Citizenship, to judge candidates by their stand on a variety of moral issues.

“If they just wanted to say, find the candidate who labels themselves pro-life, and vote for that candidate, they wouldn’t have given us a 36 page document,” he says. “They would have sent us a postcard or printed a line in the bottom of the parish news letter.”

Sounds a lot like what you’re saying.

]]> By: Almod http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-297092 Almod Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:49:09 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-297092 Back on topic... The thing that really has me baffled is the number of people voting solely on abortion views. The Birmingham News in particular seemed to make their pro-life stance their main reason for backing John McCain. I can understand to a point, but then after years of having anti-abortion politicians in office, I haven't seen them do anything significant to overturn Roe v. Wade. For that matter, I haven't seen them do anything significant in regard to "moral values." So I have to vote on other issues-- like the government keeping us safe and secure in various aspects. Economy, foreign policy, and corporate oversight are my new priorities. Back on topic… The thing that really has me baffled is the number of people voting solely on abortion views. The Birmingham News in particular seemed to make their pro-life stance their main reason for backing John McCain. I can understand to a point, but then after years of having anti-abortion politicians in office, I haven’t seen them do anything significant to overturn Roe v. Wade. For that matter, I haven’t seen them do anything significant in regard to “moral values.” So I have to vote on other issues– like the government keeping us safe and secure in various aspects. Economy, foreign policy, and corporate oversight are my new priorities.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-296183 Kathy Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:42:50 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-296183 Don, I knew that wasn't what you meant. :) Del, I'm trying hard not to get paranoid, but I'm afraid that for every pair of idiots too stupid NOT to get caught, there are others out there who are just as evil but a lot smarter. Don, I knew that wasn’t what you meant. :)

Del, I’m trying hard not to get paranoid, but I’m afraid that for every pair of idiots too stupid NOT to get caught, there are others out there who are just as evil but a lot smarter.

]]> By: Del http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-296177 Del Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:18:35 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-296177 Kathy, if it makes you feel any better, I read a follow-up at Salon about that plot. The guys were doofuses and I don't think had a snowball's chance of actually getting anywhere near BO. IIRC their plan involved them donning white tuxedos and top hats for the final dramatic shoot-em-up. The part about them slaughtering high school kids is still terrifying, though. Kathy, if it makes you feel any better, I read a follow-up at Salon about that plot. The guys were doofuses and I don’t think had a snowball’s chance of actually getting anywhere near BO. IIRC their plan involved them donning white tuxedos and top hats for the final dramatic shoot-em-up. The part about them slaughtering high school kids is still terrifying, though.

]]> By: Don http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-296172 Don Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:59:17 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-296172 Kathy, I guess “kiss of death” was a poor choice of words considering the revelation of two idiots planning to assassinate Obama. I meant that an Advertiser endorsement often killed the candidacy of whomever the paper endorsed, BUT NOT the candidate. :-) Kathy, I guess “kiss of death” was a poor choice of words considering the revelation of two idiots planning to assassinate Obama. I meant that an Advertiser endorsement often killed the candidacy of whomever the paper endorsed, BUT NOT the candidate. :-)

]]> By: Kathy http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-296171 Kathy Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:48:57 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-296171 Renee, it's a good thought. I'm guessing there have been instances when the electoral college saved us from a bad presidential choice (that's one I'd have to research), but we only have to look back eight years to see it give us a horrendous one. The California proposal that Del mentioned would have gone the congressional district route, and it was being pushed by state Republicans who thought it was a good way to move the state from blue to red. Don, I think the <i>Montgomery Advertiser</i> will be right this time around. And maybe it's just yesterday's story on the assassination plot, but for some reason the phrase "kiss of death" makes a shiver go up my spine. It's probably all the Palin race-baiting that's getting on my last nerve. Renee, it’s a good thought. I’m guessing there have been instances when the electoral college saved us from a bad presidential choice (that’s one I’d have to research), but we only have to look back eight years to see it give us a horrendous one.

The California proposal that Del mentioned would have gone the congressional district route, and it was being pushed by state Republicans who thought it was a good way to move the state from blue to red.

Don, I think the Montgomery Advertiser will be right this time around. And maybe it’s just yesterday’s story on the assassination plot, but for some reason the phrase “kiss of death” makes a shiver go up my spine. It’s probably all the Palin race-baiting that’s getting on my last nerve.

]]> By: Renee http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-296152 Renee Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:56:57 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-296152 Well, never mind. Just a thought, and not a very well researched one at that. Popular vote, all the way! Well, never mind. Just a thought, and not a very well researched one at that.

Popular vote, all the way!

]]> By: Don http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-296115 Don Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:44:04 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-296115 Two things: [1] Kathy, if it’s time to go with the popular vote, I guess it’s time for an amendment to the US Constitution…..which isn’t likely any time soon. [2] One more that one occasion over the years I’ve noticed that an endorsement by the Montgomery Advertiser is frequently a kiss of death. Two things: [1] Kathy, if it’s time to go with the popular vote, I guess it’s time for an amendment to the US Constitution…..which isn’t likely any time soon. [2] One more that one occasion over the years I’ve noticed that an endorsement by the Montgomery Advertiser is frequently a kiss of death.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/10/27/alabama-endorsements-obama-2-to-1/comment-page-1/#comment-295943 Kathy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:53:25 +0000 http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/?p=2878#comment-295943 Renee, if Wikipedia has its facts straight, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Electoral_College" rel="nofollow">two states that don't have winner take all</a> award one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district and two votes to the statewide winner. Which would still leave you and me spitting in the wind here in the 6th district. I say it's time to go with the popular vote. If we really believe in democracy, we might as well have one. :) Renee, if Wikipedia has its facts straight, the two states that don’t have winner take all award one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district and two votes to the statewide winner. Which would still leave you and me spitting in the wind here in the 6th district.

I say it’s time to go with the popular vote. If we really believe in democracy, we might as well have one. :)

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