A few days ago, Del posted a link to Gov. Sarah Palin’s speech to the Master’s Commission graduates at her home church in Wasilla. I watched it and thought, “Well, if you take out a few references to prophecy, this doesn’t sound too different from a mainline denomination.” I retract that thought now. CNN today put the video into a bit of context, and that context is downright scary.
Interspersed with clips of Gov. Palin’s speech are snippets of the Master’s Commission recruiting film, which, amid explosions, talks about Alaska’s “destiny”. According to the pastor, that destiny is this: “I believe Alaska’s one of the refuge states, come on, you guys, in the last days. And hundreds and thousands are gonna come to the state to seek refuge.”
Any day now, right? And all those explosions will kill lots of unbelievers, and we’ll have the thousand-year theocracy they are waiting for. And Israel will be saved for Jesus…or else. Sorry, but I’m not interested in bringing on Armageddon, and I don’t want a VP who is.
[Edited to include new video link after the old one quit working.]
The plot thickens.
I’m actually an avid reader of factcheck.org, and I was reading their latest snippet on debunking the rumors about Palin (some of which I hadn’t heard). This was one of the things I found:
“She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html
So I read further:
“But her husband was a member for years, and she attended at least one party convention, as mayor of the town in which it was held.
“The party’s chair originally told reporters that Palin had been a member, but the official later retracted that statement. Chairwoman Lynette Clark told the New York Times that false information had been given to her by another member of the party after she first told the Times and others that Palin joined the AIP in 1994. Clark issued an apology on the AIP Web site.”
So there’s apparently some confusion somewhere. We know that officially she was never a member, but apparently she’s been involved enough in the organization that some believed her to be a member. In fact, Palin is said to have made appearances at several conventions AND there is a video on YouTube of her addressing one such convention in 2008.
Then we go back to that infamous video of Palin saying that she doesn’t know what a VP does every day. In that same video, specifically right after she asks the question, she comments on whether or not she could use the position to benefit Alaskans rather than how she could benefit Americans.
Normally, I don’t buy into these conspiracy theories, but something definitely is fishy.
And then I did some digging on her church after reading this. Guess what turned up:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/3/194046/7340
This just gets creepier and creepier.
Almod, baby, you need to spend some time getting down with the folks at Daily Kos. All this is old news over there. Today’s breaking story is that as mayor, she countenanced Wasilla charging its rape victims for their forensic kits. Which fits in nicely with her ideas about impregnated rape victims, even her own daughter, “choosing life.” As one gloriously snarky commenter said, “Do they get to at least keep the kits? Then you’d have two souvenirs, the kid and the kit.”
Oh, and apparently rape victims paying for their own exams isn’t all that unusual. Yay, America!
To return to the topic, I am very glad that CNN picked up on this. I think there are a lot of people — all those blue-collar Catholics who don’t want to vote for the black guy, for instance — who don’t really have a clear idea what goes on in Pentecostal churches, or just how far from the mainstream many of their ideas are. Sam Harris wrote a whole book about how this “oh well, it’s church, how bad can it be?” attitude is dangerous. (He said it more eloquently, of course.)
ALMod, that first video clip at talk2action is just creepy stuff — and straight of the Christian Reconstructionist playbook.
I almost laughed when I read about the Alaska Independence Party. Yeah, in a rational world, most people would look at that connection and question her commitment to the United States (no, she’s not a member, but the video of her warm welcome to this year’s convention doesn’t exactly repudiate the party’s tenets), but I figure here in the South many of the people who question Obama’s patriotism are cheering under their breath for the AIP. They’re the same ones who fly their Confederate battle flags with pride and without a hint of irony.
Here’s the think about Daily Kos… A lot of the stuff posted on there tends to not be true. They just aren’t taken seriously. This particular situation is a lot different in that we have a verified, credible source to go on– Palin herself. There are records that can prove her involvement with this group and so on.
I haven’t read up on this rape kit thing, but are these guys offering anything to back up their story?
Almod, did you click on the link? It’s a story from the Frontiersman, the Wasilla local paper. All the “kossack” or whatever they call themselves did was look at the dates. In fact, it’s not clear that Kos even was the first to do so.
Some of the commenters don’t think that particular story is one to run with, and I agree. She didn’t storm into Wasilla and create the policy; it apparently was already in place. I suppose it’s possible that it hadn’t even been brought to her attention. After the police chief she appointed was quoted as saying he didn’t want to see an additional “burden” on the taxpayers, she should have repudiated that, but real action would have been pointless since the law forbidding such charges had just been enacted. (And in fairness as I emailed Kathy last night, if the next issue of the Frontiersman had such a repudiation, we probably wouldn’t be reading about it at Kos.
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Thanks so much for posting this CNN video! We at the Paliban already have the base video on our website (www.paliban.org), but this video really puts it into perspective.
So many people ignore the End Times prophecies, and laugh when they hear that Governor Palin expects Alaska to be a refuge after the apocalypse. Yet we can see that many people, throughout all the Assemblies of God churches and other Pentacostal and Evangelical churches, know the same things she does! Praise!
Thank you again! Sorry you folks probably won’t be included in Operation Rapture . . . I’m sure you understand that only confirmed Bible-believing Christians will be welcomed in Christ’s Kingdom in Alaska.
You probably wouldn’t like life in the underground cities, anyway.
The info you post re Palin is incorrect and has been deemed so by many media outlets. Just to give a “new” bit of into to ponder I provide the following, which is the culmination of a great deal of research I have done – new info you won’t hear from MSM but which is all true (I have gone through many sources to verify and reverify):
The following is a list of individuals and groups that are part of the Obama web, which is complex, spread wide and deep, with various people inter-connected with each other, and many with roots in Harvard (what has Harvard been teaching for the last 30 years?)
The early role of ACORN (previously known as NWRO) was to overload the welfare system with new applications, thus creating havoc and economic crisis. Their belief was that if they could create chaos, they could attain power and inroads.
1. Deepak Bhargava (born in India, late 30s to early 40s, graduate of Harvard, radical activist, worked for Acorn at same time Obama did. He is one of Acorn’s lobbyists involved in pushing certain Democrats to create the low/no income loans via Fannie and Freddie. He directs an organization that has done work with minorities, financially supported by Robert Kennedy Jr., and is now active in ‘training’ immigrants to fight against interference of their illegal status. He and his organization are involved with dozens of other similar organizations.
2. George Wiley, in 60s a leader in the National Welfare Rights Org. (activists that invaded welfare offices often violently, threatening social workers), from which ACORN evolved with Wade Rathke who was also founder of Students for Democratic Society (supporting draft dodgers). Wade has headed Acorn for over 3 decades, and has his hands into a vast array of other like organizations, including a national movement to STOP Wal-Mart from expanding. While he espouses concern for workers and the underprivileged, his own vast number of workers have brought endless lawsuits against Acorn for abuse, threats, harassment, and retribution against those who have tried to organize themselves into their own labor union because of their low wages and no benefits. Wade has dealt harshly with each such incident, despite lawsuits. The first major center for Acorn was Chicago which remains one of its largest chapters. It ‘trains’ community organizers, and it is where Obama both learned and instructed.
3. William Ayres – former member of 60’ Students for Democratic Society, friend of Wade Rathke since then. Tom Hayden also a member of SDS, and ally. And it should be noted that Ayres has been a long-time friend and ally of Rev. Wright, as well as the Booths and others listed here. Ayres is not an educational reformer, but possesses a radical
4. Citizen Action and Citizen Services – both organizations are ‘sub’ groups of Acorn, and go back in connection to Heather and Paul Booth – part of the SDS. Citizen action gave Citizen Services just under $500,000 for “campaign consulting” while at the same time Obama gave the same Citizen Services $840,000, both to serve the onslaught of new voter registration. Nearly 300 ‘sub’ groups of Acorn are all listed at the same New Orleans address, despite claims by Obama and Acorn that such organizations are not connected.
5. Saul Alinsky Mastermind behind ‘community organizers’ movement that started in Chicago during the Depression – his more radical concepts serve as a foundation for other radicals mentioned herein.
6. Maude Hurde – President of Acorn, who has pronounced great pride in Acorn’s accomplishments in pushing for sub-prime loans by Freddie and Fannie. She also submitted a demand to the Senate indicating exactly what she wanted the $700 billion to be used for (and at that time, Acorn was to receive 20% of any profits realized by the bailout).
7. Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven – professors in the 60s of Sociology at Columbia U. Their teachings, known as the “Cloward Piven Strategy” have served as the basic foundation of the Ayres/Acorn/Obama philosophy, and the actions of hundreds of allied organizations. The philosophy: “seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.” “Poor people can advance only when “the rest of society is afraid of them,”
When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judaeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system’s failure to “live up” to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist “rule book” with a socialist one.
It is the CP Strategy that has been the guideline of Acorn from the beginning when turning out masses of welfare applicants. It is at the core of their strategy to add hundreds of thousands to voter registration, creating chaos.
One can now wonder about the string of events over the last few years, to swell the economy with bad mortgages that would create economic crisis and the threat to a capitalistic society. There would appear to be a strong connection, in philosophy as well as action.
Their article called for “cadres of aggressive organizers” to use “demonstrations to create a climate of militancy.” Intimidated by threats of black violence, politicians would appeal to the federal government for help. Carefully orchestrated media campaigns, carried out by friendly, leftwing journalists, would float the idea of “a federal program of income redistribution,” in the form of a guaranteed living income for all — working and non-working people alike.
SOUND FAMILIAR? Note: the NRWO and Wiley was the first effort of Cloward and Piven to begin their revolution.
“The flooding succeeded beyond Wiley’s wildest dreams,” writes Sol Stern in the City Journal. “From 1965 to 1974, the number of single-parent households on welfare soared from 4.3 million to 10.8 million
Giuliani accused the militant scholars by name, citing their 1966 manifesto as evidence that they had engaged in deliberate economic sabotage of New York.
8. George Soros Hungarian-born Jewish immigrant to the UK, later to the US. Billionaire (hedge funds) supporter of left movements. He adamantly believes in socialized medicine due to his experience of having a broken leg treated for free in England, while the Jewish community did not make such an offer. He is now anti-Jewish and pro socialist.
Soros hates Bush, and put up $50 million (raised another $25 million) to defeat Bush in 04. He donates millions to MoveOn.org (liberal organization also supported by Annenberg). Soros hosted a fund raising event for Obama in his 2004 campaign for ILL legislature. They have met many times, and Soros continues to back Obama. He is supportive of Hamas, against Israel. He gives enormous financial support to dozens of leftist organizations including ACLU, Acorn, Amnesty Int., and several organizations that support illegal immigrants, open borders, and unlimited immigration. Soros continually exhibits anti-American rhetoric and attitude, and is responsible for the ad calling General Petraeus (General Betray Us) and the numerous campaigns of character assassination of Republicans. Soros invest billions into political efforts to sway the Senate, public opinion, activism – some regard him as owning the Democratic Party lock stock and barrel.
He spends a good deal of time orchestrating foreign public opinion AGAINST the US – writing articles, giving interviews, funding propaganda campaigns etc. He seeks to get the US to stop further action against those who involved in jihad, and to sever the alliance between Israel and the US.
9. Acorn – Much has already been written about Acorn, but it springs from, or includes associations with all the above people. In the early 90s, and I quote from DiscovertheNetwork.org, “ACORN, Project Vote and Human SERVE — set to work lobbying energetically for the so-called Motor-Voter law, which Bill Clinton ultimately signed in 1993. The Motor-Voter bill is largely responsible for swamping the voter rolls with “dead wood” — invalid registrations signed in the name of deceased, ineligible or non-existent people — thus opening the door to the unprecedented levels of voter fraud and “voter disenfranchisement” claims that followed in subsequent elections.”
“The new “voting rights” coalition combines mass voter registration drives — typically featuring high levels of fraud — with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of “racism” and “disenfranchisement,” and “direct action” (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America’s welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation’s understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.”
Over the last 15 years Acorn has been involved in untold lawsuits from various states, regarding charges of fraud in registration and voting. Now, 2 weeks before we vote, Acorn is once again overloading key states with fraudulent registration forms – forms they have had and sat on for the last year or more. 600,000 in one state, 200,000 in another; more than 1 million so far.
It should be noted that Acorn, with the help of key Senators (Dodd, Reid, Obama and others) arranged a deal with the government whereby they are paid (handsomely) to create low income housing, or to fix up old structures for low income residents. Their deal enables them to hold the title to the properties and without oversight, they require the ‘owner’ to invest sweat equity into the building or remodeling. Once done and they move in, they are required to pay Acorn monthly for the home (that the government already paid them for). If they default, they walk away and Acorn remains the owner of the house.
With so much money surrounding the Democrats overall campaigning in the US – most of which we don’t even know about, there is more than enough money to throw at the ‘problem’ areas, people, etc.
10. Jennifer Brunner, Secy of State, Ohio – regarded as the most partisan politician in Ohio, she has been in office for almost 2 years, but involved in state voting issues for several years. She had promised to make sure the state did not have another voting day crisis as they did in 2000 and 2004. However, she reversed various orders by her predecessor, and had created a variety of rules and procedures to hamper the process rather than relieve it. She has received ‘consultation’ from Acorn (big surprise), and is presently not allowing absentee ballots for McCain to be counted, because they misprinted an extra check box on their form. Several people in the state indicate that her actions have been taken directly mar and hamper the upcoming election day, with unquestionable favor toward the Democratic party.
This is by no means the whole list – but it is (I believe) sufficient to reflect accurately on just who Obama is, what his beliefs are, how he operates, and who he has surrounded himself with over the last 25 years.
Add to this complex network, the associations with Odinga, Hamas, Al Monsour and others, and it is a disturbing collection with an obvious agenda.
In addition to known associations, we have a situation where Obama has raised hundreds of millions dollars. Already seen in computer records under the small ($250 and under) donations, are bogus names (something like “wpwe ablvetu”). He has refused to release a list of major donors and his donation program online is handled by his 2 school chums from Pakistan. There is a STRONG indication that a great deal of money has come in to that online area from Middle East sources.
Obama hides many of his associations, and of those exposed, he is non-apologetic. The most alarming aspect of this ‘list’ is that they are all aligned in a radical philosophy, with ties to Cloward and Piven, and Soros. These people have a strong agenda that has become a manifesto followed to the letter by dozens of organizations, notably Acorn. Even Obama’s campaign and comments seem aligned with the teachings of Cloward and Piven.
Based on the philosophy of these two, and the actions of this list (people and organizations) should be cause for everyone to stop and re-assess their thinking about Obama. Acorn vehemently denies wrong-doing, but they are at the absolute CORE of 20 years of wrong-doing, including their manipulation of our government to create the explosion of our economy and the housing debacle. Look at their beginnings, practices of intimidation and violence, manipulation, and how they adhere to the Cloward Piven Strategy and you have a company reeking of corruption and intent to bring down America as a capitalistic nation.
We have EVERYTHING we ‘know’ and ‘believe’ at risk – as well as our futures, security, and FREEDOM.
Sparkle, that certainly was… entertaining. Where else have you copied and pasted that nonsense?
By the way, I love the new GOP supporter strategy. Deny something exists (even though we have video evidence to back it up) and then counter by just making things up and slinging mud at Obama even though you show absolutely NOTHING to substantiate any of it. Who does your research? Jerome Corsi?
Almod, I suspect “The info you post re Palin is incorrect and has been deemed so by many media outlets” is just part of the cut and paste. It matters not that the actual “info” posted is a videotape. People (or bots?) like Sparkle aren’t interested in anything other than right-wing smears. And wasting other peoples’ bandwidth.
You apparently do not read or watch the news – everything is out there to be viewed in one form or another – some of it with NO effort at all – which would appeal to a brain dead moron such as yourself. Howevr, for those with a tiny bit of intelligence, one can google and read for yourself. Denial is a state of ignorance not just a river in Egypt. You no doubt will be among the first to whine and cry if Obama is elected, and you realize you have been duped, betrayed, and are now in a country you no longer know.
I’d suggest you take a moment out of your pointless life and actually look for yourself at the vast amount of information about this empty suit you idolize. He is not just an empty suit, but a bad guy, and likely a puppet of the Saudi royal family.
BOZOS like you are so ignorant of facts – you assume anything bad is merely made up – oh how wrong you are.
PS – factcheck.org is not reliable as it is part of the Acorn outfit
Take your pick – A country that provides religious freedom, or a country living under Sharia Law – that is your choice – and while I am sure you have no idea what Sharia Law is – you CAN learn more if you google it – and while at it, try to google any name on my list – tons of info about each name.
sparkleplenty, your first comment landed in my moderation queue because it was so long. I approved it because, while I disagree with you, you weren’t name-calling. Taking gratuitous personal swipes at the blogmistress or regular commenters is grounds for banning here. If you feel the need to do it again, please take your long-winded rhetoric, find some of the ubiquitous free blogging software out there on the web, start your own blog, and whine without a hint of irony about how your free speech rights were violated.
There was a Chemistry professor in a large college that had some exchange students in the class. One day while the class was in the lab the Prof noticed one young man (exchange student) who kept rubbing his back, and stretching as if his back hurt.
The professor asked the young man what was the matter. The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist government.
In the midst of his story he looked at the professor and asked a strange question. He asked, ‘Do you know how to catch wild pigs?’
The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line. The young man said this was no joke. ‘You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on t he ground. The pigs find it and begin to come everyday to eat the free corn When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence. They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side. The pigs, which are used to the free corn, start to come through the gate to eat; you slam the gate on them and catch the whole herd.
Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They run around and around inside the fence, but they are caught. Soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.
The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening to America . The government keeps pushing us toward
socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income,
tobacco subsidies, dairy subsidies, payments not to plant crops (CRP), welfare, medicine, drugs, etc. while we continually lose our freedoms – just a little at a time.
One should always remember: There is no such thing as a free Lunch! A politician will never provide a service for you cheaper than you can do yourself.
If you see all of this wonderful government ‘help’ is a problem confronting the future of democracy in America , you might want to
send this on to your friends. If you think the free ride is essential to your way of life then you will probably de lete this email, but God help you when the gate slams shut!
In this ‘very important’ election year, listen closely to what the candidates are promising you – just maybe you will be able to tell who is about to slam the gate on America .
‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.’ – Thomas Jefferson
“PS – factcheck.org is not reliable as it is part of the Acorn outfit”
LMAO!!!
Actually, it’s not a part of the “ACORN outfit” but part of the ANNENBERG “outfit.” Apparently, you can’t keep up. And the president and chair of the Annenberg Foundation just endorsed John McCain earlier this month. The founder (now deceased) was an ambassador under Pres. Reagan. It’s listed on John McCain’s campaign website. FactCheck.org has not been at all evasive about this. In fact, they volunteered this information.
And I’m tempted to ask if you just copied and pasted a chain email in a couple of your posts.
Kathy, I don’t think it’s possible for someone to be this badly misinformed… Possibly a troll or a satire?
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