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	<title>Comments on: Knight Tax Fairness Plan Passes Senate Committee</title>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/04/23/knight-tax-fairness-plan-passes-senate-committee/#comment-225111</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION: "The special interests who might be negatively affected and some huge strong oxen." should read, "The special interests who might be negatively affected are some huge strong oxen."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION: &#8220;The special interests who might be negatively affected and some huge strong oxen.&#8221; should read, &#8220;The special interests who might be negatively affected are some huge strong oxen.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy, I agree that our tax code needs to be revised, but almost any way you can devise to change it will gore someone’s ox. The special interests who might be negatively affected and some huge strong oxen.

There is however, at least one other approach, I think, to insure that essential services are better funded at times. If so much revenue weren’t earmarked by law, either the legislature or the governor, or both in unison, could use revenue where it’s most needed in any fiscal year. Another approach would be for the governor to be given the power of line item veto to eliminate a lot of spending by legislators (district pork) to help insure their re-lection. Some of those pork providers have made a career living off the taxpayers and the only ones to benefit are their own constituents.

I agree that property taxes need to be revised, but not at the expense of less than affluent home owners, small family farmers, or small businesses that are creating employment for Alabamians. Large commercial land owners or (the timber businesses, large commercial farming operations, etc.) should be taxed at a more reasonable rate. If they lease land rather than owning it, the owners should be taxed the same way and they can just pass along the additional cost to the commercial interests.....who, of course, will then pass it along to their consumers (call it a consumption tax), but at least some of those will be outside Alabama.

Don’t hold your breath waiting on the legislature to make any such changes, though. The best, and possibly only hope of seeing them made, is for thousands of Alabama voters to make such a loud and continuing demand that the legislature pass the key to open that door for us that legislators become fearful of losing all of their power at the polls if they don’t comply. That key, of course, (you must know coming from me) is for Alabama to become the 25th state to have an Initiative and Referendum process that voters can use to introduce legislation that will bypass both the legislature and the governor and be put on a ballot for voters to accept or reject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, I agree that our tax code needs to be revised, but almost any way you can devise to change it will gore someone’s ox. The special interests who might be negatively affected and some huge strong oxen.</p>
<p>There is however, at least one other approach, I think, to insure that essential services are better funded at times. If so much revenue weren’t earmarked by law, either the legislature or the governor, or both in unison, could use revenue where it’s most needed in any fiscal year. Another approach would be for the governor to be given the power of line item veto to eliminate a lot of spending by legislators (district pork) to help insure their re-lection. Some of those pork providers have made a career living off the taxpayers and the only ones to benefit are their own constituents.</p>
<p>I agree that property taxes need to be revised, but not at the expense of less than affluent home owners, small family farmers, or small businesses that are creating employment for Alabamians. Large commercial land owners or (the timber businesses, large commercial farming operations, etc.) should be taxed at a more reasonable rate. If they lease land rather than owning it, the owners should be taxed the same way and they can just pass along the additional cost to the commercial interests&#8230;..who, of course, will then pass it along to their consumers (call it a consumption tax), but at least some of those will be outside Alabama.</p>
<p>Don’t hold your breath waiting on the legislature to make any such changes, though. The best, and possibly only hope of seeing them made, is for thousands of Alabama voters to make such a loud and continuing demand that the legislature pass the key to open that door for us that legislators become fearful of losing all of their power at the polls if they don’t comply. That key, of course, (you must know coming from me) is for Alabama to become the 25th state to have an Initiative and Referendum process that voters can use to introduce legislation that will bypass both the legislature and the governor and be put on a ballot for voters to accept or reject.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, while it's true that the Education Trust Fund does better in a good economy, dependent as it is on sales and income tax, the General Fund budget (Medicaid, other childrens' services, etc.) goes hurting pretty much all the time.  I'd like to see our legislature tackle the real third rail of tax reform, property taxes, but Alfa and its minions will never allow legislation that would require out of state timber companies and agribusinesses to pay reasonable taxes on their Alabama property.  We'll never have a stable tax base without adequate property tax revenues, but I applaud Rep. Knight and the people at &lt;a href="http://alarise.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alabama Arise&lt;/a&gt; for doing what they can to make the system a bit more fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, while it&#8217;s true that the Education Trust Fund does better in a good economy, dependent as it is on sales and income tax, the General Fund budget (Medicaid, other childrens&#8217; services, etc.) goes hurting pretty much all the time.  I&#8217;d like to see our legislature tackle the real third rail of tax reform, property taxes, but Alfa and its minions will never allow legislation that would require out of state timber companies and agribusinesses to pay reasonable taxes on their Alabama property.  We&#8217;ll never have a stable tax base without adequate property tax revenues, but I applaud Rep. Knight and the people at <a href="http://alarise.org" rel="nofollow">Alabama Arise</a> for doing what they can to make the system a bit more fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/04/23/knight-tax-fairness-plan-passes-senate-committee/#comment-225062</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around the time we were offered “Amendment One” Representative Knight was one of those who were saying that the sky was falling and essential state services would have to be drastically cut if sources of new revenue weren’t found. I sent him an email which he never even acknowledged receiving. I said that anyone who just glanced at business news should be aware that the economy was on the verge of improving which would largely negate his argument (as it did very soon thereafter), but that if the state really did need additional revenue then the legislators should pick up a copy of the state Form 40 tax booklet and go to the section where the various incomes that are not required to be reported are listed and consider making changes there.

Look at that section in your booklet and you will see how many groups don’t have to report certain income, including many former state employees. Many of the people who are in these groups are very well off financially and don’t need that exemption. One group includes me, but I believe in paying my fair share if everyone else will even though I need to keep every penny I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around the time we were offered “Amendment One” Representative Knight was one of those who were saying that the sky was falling and essential state services would have to be drastically cut if sources of new revenue weren’t found. I sent him an email which he never even acknowledged receiving. I said that anyone who just glanced at business news should be aware that the economy was on the verge of improving which would largely negate his argument (as it did very soon thereafter), but that if the state really did need additional revenue then the legislators should pick up a copy of the state Form 40 tax booklet and go to the section where the various incomes that are not required to be reported are listed and consider making changes there.</p>
<p>Look at that section in your booklet and you will see how many groups don’t have to report certain income, including many former state employees. Many of the people who are in these groups are very well off financially and don’t need that exemption. One group includes me, but I believe in paying my fair share if everyone else will even though I need to keep every penny I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
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		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely the number of people making less than $125,000 a year, or whatever the point is at which you start losing money instead of breaking even, far exceeds the number of people making more. I can't understand how people vote against their own interests on this kind of issue.  Maybe they imagine that soon they too will be in that tax bracket, or maybe they just want to vote as though they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the number of people making less than $125,000 a year, or whatever the point is at which you start losing money instead of breaking even, far exceeds the number of people making more. I can&#8217;t understand how people vote against their own interests on this kind of issue.  Maybe they imagine that soon they too will be in that tax bracket, or maybe they just want to vote as though they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/04/23/knight-tax-fairness-plan-passes-senate-committee/#comment-225047</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Del, yes, I'm talking about one-time hit in terms of once a year, and I'm not claiming that the tax breaks will outweigh the increase for those in higher brackets.  They will, however, mitigate it, and I emphasize that point because I expect it will be glossed over by the PTB who want to maintain the status quo.  I also, to my sorrow, expect that a large percentage of the people who would benefit the most will vote against the amendment should it get on the ballot.

Alabama is one of only two or three states that still allow the federal tax deduction.  Can't remember the other(s) right off the top of my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Del, yes, I&#8217;m talking about one-time hit in terms of once a year, and I&#8217;m not claiming that the tax breaks will outweigh the increase for those in higher brackets.  They will, however, mitigate it, and I emphasize that point because I expect it will be glossed over by the PTB who want to maintain the status quo.  I also, to my sorrow, expect that a large percentage of the people who would benefit the most will vote against the amendment should it get on the ballot.</p>
<p>Alabama is one of only two or three states that still allow the federal tax deduction.  Can&#8217;t remember the other(s) right off the top of my head.</p>
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		<title>By: Del</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/04/23/knight-tax-fairness-plan-passes-senate-committee/#comment-225011</link>
		<dc:creator>Del</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy, when you say one-time hit, do you mean that it will be visible as one payment rather than a hundred-some savings on grocery trips? Because this looks like a year after year hit to me, and for those of us in the higher brackets, the savings at the Winn-Dixie will not outweigh the expenditure on April 15. 

As I already commented on Dan's blog, I am happy to pay it - it's embarrassing to live in a state that rides on the backs of the poor. But those who claim that wealthier folks are funding this are, I'm afraid, essentially correct. I guess the difference is whether you think that's a good idea. 

I've never understood why the state tax should give you a deduction for federal taxes paid, anyway. If anything, it seems like it ought to be the other way around. 

Don, from my googling yesterday, I think that Alabama used to charge tax on food stamp purchases, but no longer does. Perhaps they were forced to stop. &lt;a href="http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/811/811.F2d.567.86-7635.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; it looks like they were being sued about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy, when you say one-time hit, do you mean that it will be visible as one payment rather than a hundred-some savings on grocery trips? Because this looks like a year after year hit to me, and for those of us in the higher brackets, the savings at the Winn-Dixie will not outweigh the expenditure on April 15. </p>
<p>As I already commented on Dan&#8217;s blog, I am happy to pay it - it&#8217;s embarrassing to live in a state that rides on the backs of the poor. But those who claim that wealthier folks are funding this are, I&#8217;m afraid, essentially correct. I guess the difference is whether you think that&#8217;s a good idea. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never understood why the state tax should give you a deduction for federal taxes paid, anyway. If anything, it seems like it ought to be the other way around. </p>
<p>Don, from my googling yesterday, I think that Alabama used to charge tax on food stamp purchases, but no longer does. Perhaps they were forced to stop. <a href="http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/811/811.F2d.567.86-7635.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> it looks like they were being sued about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2008/04/23/knight-tax-fairness-plan-passes-senate-committee/#comment-224458</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, if that's correct, then I guess they don't gain from the sales tax cut on groceries they buy with food stamps, but they would see a reduction on any groceries they buy beyond their food stamp allotment.  Also, they would likely benefit from the higher income tax threshold.

I would think one big selling point for the plan is that the tax reductions (whether the grocery tax or the increases in personal exemption and standard deduction) benefit people across all income levels.  Lisa's correct that it will be hard to get those who take a one-time hit on their itemized deductions to see the benefit of the lower grocery tax that comes in a bit at a time, but this really shouldn't be a tough sell for the majority of taxpayers who will see a reduction in their grocery bill and their income tax bill.  Of course, this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; Alabama, and we seem to be allergic to any mention of the T-word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, if that&#8217;s correct, then I guess they don&#8217;t gain from the sales tax cut on groceries they buy with food stamps, but they would see a reduction on any groceries they buy beyond their food stamp allotment.  Also, they would likely benefit from the higher income tax threshold.</p>
<p>I would think one big selling point for the plan is that the tax reductions (whether the grocery tax or the increases in personal exemption and standard deduction) benefit people across all income levels.  Lisa&#8217;s correct that it will be hard to get those who take a one-time hit on their itemized deductions to see the benefit of the lower grocery tax that comes in a bit at a time, but this really shouldn&#8217;t be a tough sell for the majority of taxpayers who will see a reduction in their grocery bill and their income tax bill.  Of course, this <i>is</i> Alabama, and we seem to be allergic to any mention of the T-word.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point I haven’t heard mentioned is that the poorest of the poor qualify for food stamps and I don’t think any sales tax of any sort is added to their bills when they use them to purchase food, so what do they gain with that portion of this bill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point I haven’t heard mentioned is that the poorest of the poor qualify for food stamps and I don’t think any sales tax of any sort is added to their bills when they use them to purchase food, so what do they gain with that portion of this bill?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One thing is for sure - the demagogues will be out in force about how this is a tax increase on “responsible” people to fund a “giveaway” to people who already get government benefits anyway.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, absolutely.  And totally ignoring the government benefits the "responsible" people get.  I was so disappointed at Bob Riley's turnaround on tax reform, but I guess it's understandable if he has any further political aspirations.  The PTB nearly took him down over Amendment One, and they've likely told him another attempt would be the end of his career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One thing is for sure - the demagogues will be out in force about how this is a tax increase on “responsible” people to fund a “giveaway” to people who already get government benefits anyway.</i></p>
<p>Oh, absolutely.  And totally ignoring the government benefits the &#8220;responsible&#8221; people get.  I was so disappointed at Bob Riley&#8217;s turnaround on tax reform, but I guess it&#8217;s understandable if he has any further political aspirations.  The PTB nearly took him down over Amendment One, and they&#8217;ve likely told him another attempt would be the end of his career.</p>
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