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		<title>By: thuntj</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/09/17/they-shouldnt-hold-their-breath-waiting/#comment-163371</link>
		<dc:creator>thuntj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almod:  Again I am not sure if this applies all over the state.  I'm not an attorney I am just speaking in regards to what I witnessed with our specific case, maybe an attorney who visits here can give you the specific law stating this.  

But yes I am saying in my opinion I think the Shackles, handcuffs, and prison attire do make a difference verses just an american joe in a suit in tie.  Well they are innocent until proven guilty so if I were sitting on a jury I wouldn't be there if I could not take a fair look at the evidence against the accused.  so Yes, i could look at someone accused and think of them as my equal UNLESS they were convicted and proven guilty then NO I would not look at them as my equal. 
Just My 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almod:  Again I am not sure if this applies all over the state.  I&#8217;m not an attorney I am just speaking in regards to what I witnessed with our specific case, maybe an attorney who visits here can give you the specific law stating this.  </p>
<p>But yes I am saying in my opinion I think the Shackles, handcuffs, and prison attire do make a difference verses just an american joe in a suit in tie.  Well they are innocent until proven guilty so if I were sitting on a jury I wouldn&#8217;t be there if I could not take a fair look at the evidence against the accused.  so Yes, i could look at someone accused and think of them as my equal UNLESS they were convicted and proven guilty then NO I would not look at them as my equal.<br />
Just My 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: ALmod</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/09/17/they-shouldnt-hold-their-breath-waiting/#comment-162759</link>
		<dc:creator>ALmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never attended a Shelby County trial, but I'm not completely sure that those standards apply for the entire state or even for Shelby County.  I could be mistaken, but it would be extremely helpful if you could provide the law stating such.

Either way...  You're saying that, as long as shackles and prison jumpsuits aren't involved, you could look at a convicted or accused killer and call him your equal?  Your peer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never attended a Shelby County trial, but I&#8217;m not completely sure that those standards apply for the entire state or even for Shelby County.  I could be mistaken, but it would be extremely helpful if you could provide the law stating such.</p>
<p>Either way&#8230;  You&#8217;re saying that, as long as shackles and prison jumpsuits aren&#8217;t involved, you could look at a convicted or accused killer and call him your equal?  Your peer?</p>
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		<title>By: thuntj</title>
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		<dc:creator>thuntj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almod: I know in our death row cases the defendents not allowed to be shackled, or in a jump suit in front of the jury for this very reason.  It does change the peoples way of thinking.  Both of our defendents wore suits or regular street clothing and were not handcuffed until they went ot the back or the jury left.  I believe that this is the same all over Alabama but I know they were in regular clothing WITHOUT handcuffs in Shelby County in 1997.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almod: I know in our death row cases the defendents not allowed to be shackled, or in a jump suit in front of the jury for this very reason.  It does change the peoples way of thinking.  Both of our defendents wore suits or regular street clothing and were not handcuffed until they went ot the back or the jury left.  I believe that this is the same all over Alabama but I know they were in regular clothing WITHOUT handcuffs in Shelby County in 1997.</p>
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		<title>By: ALmod</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention... a jury is essentially made up of human beings.  Fallible, imperfect human beings.  I don't trust a life or death decision to such a flawed system-- particularly if they'd recommend that someone deserves to die if he never even fired a shot.  Would you presume that they knew that person's very intentions?

Which is why death row cases are appealed automatically.  Not only must you have one jury and one judge recommend death-- you must have SEVERAL of them do so.  Apparently, the second jury/judge did not feel the same as the first.  So do you now not trust their judgment?

I've been thinking on the quaint little phrase "jury of your peers" and think it laughable in these situations.  Under what circumstances do you think that 12 citizens would look at a man in shackles and prison jumpsuit who is accused of a heinous crime and think of him as their "peer"?  I can guarantee that at least 9/12 of those minds are made up before the evidence is ever shown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention&#8230; a jury is essentially made up of human beings.  Fallible, imperfect human beings.  I don&#8217;t trust a life or death decision to such a flawed system&#8211; particularly if they&#8217;d recommend that someone deserves to die if he never even fired a shot.  Would you presume that they knew that person&#8217;s very intentions?</p>
<p>Which is why death row cases are appealed automatically.  Not only must you have one jury and one judge recommend death&#8211; you must have SEVERAL of them do so.  Apparently, the second jury/judge did not feel the same as the first.  So do you now not trust their judgment?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking on the quaint little phrase &#8220;jury of your peers&#8221; and think it laughable in these situations.  Under what circumstances do you think that 12 citizens would look at a man in shackles and prison jumpsuit who is accused of a heinous crime and think of him as their &#8220;peer&#8221;?  I can guarantee that at least 9/12 of those minds are made up before the evidence is ever shown.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Alabama, a jury doesn't have to recommend death. I don't know if they did in this case or not. I don't even know if they were asked their opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Alabama, a jury doesn&#8217;t have to recommend death. I don&#8217;t know if they did in this case or not. I don&#8217;t even know if they were asked their opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know what my perspective would be in the situation you described.  I do know that it would not be up to me to decide, it would be up to a Judge and a Jury.  In Gamble's case a jury of 12 Shelby county citizens sat through the trial heard all of the evidence examined Mr. Gamble's defenses and weighed the circumstances of his 3 murders against all the mitigators.  After all the evidence was in, they recommended that Gamble should pay for his crimes with his life.  With all due respect, I have more faith in their judgment than yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what my perspective would be in the situation you described.  I do know that it would not be up to me to decide, it would be up to a Judge and a Jury.  In Gamble&#8217;s case a jury of 12 Shelby county citizens sat through the trial heard all of the evidence examined Mr. Gamble&#8217;s defenses and weighed the circumstances of his 3 murders against all the mitigators.  After all the evidence was in, they recommended that Gamble should pay for his crimes with his life.  With all due respect, I have more faith in their judgment than yours.</p>
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		<title>By: ALmod</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, since you are so fond of the law, why don't we discuss the law for a minute or two.

For many years, it was THE LAW that slavery was okay.  Was it okay?

For many years, it was THE LAW that segregation was okay.  Was it okay?

For many years, it was THE LAW that only white men who owned property could vote and that many others, including women and people of color, could not vote.  Was it okay?

My point?  Just because something is LEGAL doesn't mean that it's RIGHT.  If you need further proof, just take a quick look at some of the stupid laws that still exist in this country.  There are websites everywhere.

The truth is that over the years, many people who are innocent (not just "not guilty") have been executed in this country, whether by law or by lynch mob, and were later shown to be innocent.  At the time they died, each one of the people calling for their death was just as self-righteous as you sound right now.  So if they partook in taking an innocent life, what does that make them?  If you call for the death of another human being, regardless of your reasoning, and thus contribute to his death whether or not you are the official executioner, what does that make you?  Judges and juries are not unbiased and free of outside influence, no matter how much you want to believe that.  And as such, it makes them fallible.  Do you really want any human life placed in the care of a fallible system?

Let's say your child was killed by her sibling.  What would be your judgment then?  Would you still seek the death penalty?  Would your perception of "justice" still be the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, since you are so fond of the law, why don&#8217;t we discuss the law for a minute or two.</p>
<p>For many years, it was THE LAW that slavery was okay.  Was it okay?</p>
<p>For many years, it was THE LAW that segregation was okay.  Was it okay?</p>
<p>For many years, it was THE LAW that only white men who owned property could vote and that many others, including women and people of color, could not vote.  Was it okay?</p>
<p>My point?  Just because something is LEGAL doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s RIGHT.  If you need further proof, just take a quick look at some of the stupid laws that still exist in this country.  There are websites everywhere.</p>
<p>The truth is that over the years, many people who are innocent (not just &#8220;not guilty&#8221;) have been executed in this country, whether by law or by lynch mob, and were later shown to be innocent.  At the time they died, each one of the people calling for their death was just as self-righteous as you sound right now.  So if they partook in taking an innocent life, what does that make them?  If you call for the death of another human being, regardless of your reasoning, and thus contribute to his death whether or not you are the official executioner, what does that make you?  Judges and juries are not unbiased and free of outside influence, no matter how much you want to believe that.  And as such, it makes them fallible.  Do you really want any human life placed in the care of a fallible system?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say your child was killed by her sibling.  What would be your judgment then?  Would you still seek the death penalty?  Would your perception of &#8220;justice&#8221; still be the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gamble was convicted of murdering 3 Alabama citizens.  

Gamble was an adult when all three of these citizens of Alabama were murdered.

A Shelby County jury voted to give him the death penalty.  

A Shelby County judge sentenced him to death 10 years ago.

The death penalty is a legal punishment in Alabama.  No matter how much the liberals who publish and visit this website hate it, it is still the law.

Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to pass judgment on these victims until your Father/Mother/Child is brutally murdered by a vicious predator like Gamble.

Attorney General King is defending the laws of this State and defending the rights of victims.  He should be commended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gamble was convicted of murdering 3 Alabama citizens.  </p>
<p>Gamble was an adult when all three of these citizens of Alabama were murdered.</p>
<p>A Shelby County jury voted to give him the death penalty.  </p>
<p>A Shelby County judge sentenced him to death 10 years ago.</p>
<p>The death penalty is a legal punishment in Alabama.  No matter how much the liberals who publish and visit this website hate it, it is still the law.</p>
<p>Maybe you shouldn&#8217;t be so quick to pass judgment on these victims until your Father/Mother/Child is brutally murdered by a vicious predator like Gamble.</p>
<p>Attorney General King is defending the laws of this State and defending the rights of victims.  He should be commended.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AL Mod,

AMEN and AMEN! I am truly sorry for the victims' families. But I concur with your view. In fact my wife has my explicit instructions that if I were to be a victim of a capital crime, she is to communicate my express opposition to capital punishment. In my faith, only my Creator should have the right to choose who lives and dies. Certainly not a political prostitute like King.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL Mod,</p>
<p>AMEN and AMEN! I am truly sorry for the victims&#8217; families. But I concur with your view. In fact my wife has my explicit instructions that if I were to be a victim of a capital crime, she is to communicate my express opposition to capital punishment. In my faith, only my Creator should have the right to choose who lives and dies. Certainly not a political prostitute like King.</p>
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		<title>By: ALmod</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALmod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell you exactly how I'd feel, as I have been in as situation such as that.  I'd feel like the last thing on earth that I'd want to do is kill someone in my loved one's name.  I don't think that my loved one would have wanted that.  And I don't believe it would do anyone any good.  It wouldn't bring my loved one back, that's for sure.  I want justice-- not revenge.  Being imprisoned for life isn't the party that people make it out to be.  I doubt you're on a waiting list.

The thing is...  The perp in this particular case wasn't 19 years old.  He was younger than 18.  The man who is still sitting on death row never pulled the trigger.  How is it fair that he still be sentenced to death while the perp is not?  How is that justice?

I understand that losing someone creates a need for SOMETHING.  I know.  I've been there.  Someone very close to me was beaten outside his home with baseball bats in front of his wife and kids.  He died slowly and painfully while watching his brain leak onto his front lawn.  There's nothing specific you want, and you don't know what it is.  You just want something to make that big old hole go away.  In the end, you start believing you want "justice," but when you think of it, it's really only revenge you want.  Then, when you get what you want, you realize that nothing has really changed after all.  That feeling doesn't go away.

Then I turn to my religion, and I wonder what my God would have me do.  My God says that vengeance is His, and I know why.  It's because He's protecting my own soul, which would be horribly changed forever if I decided to pursue it on my own.  His instructions for me are to love and forgive and to reap souls for His Kingdom.  Vengeance accomplishes none of that.  As a matter of fact, I could be responsible for sending a soul to hell when I could have prevented it.  I don't want that on my conscience, and I REALLY don't want to have to explain that to my Creator.

Troy King merely pandered to a group of people who are bloodthirsty with grief or bloodthirsty with self-righteousness.  That's all.  There is nothing comforting or moral about putting a child to death-- regardless as to what that child has done.  Take it from someone who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can tell you exactly how I&#8217;d feel, as I have been in as situation such as that.  I&#8217;d feel like the last thing on earth that I&#8217;d want to do is kill someone in my loved one&#8217;s name.  I don&#8217;t think that my loved one would have wanted that.  And I don&#8217;t believe it would do anyone any good.  It wouldn&#8217;t bring my loved one back, that&#8217;s for sure.  I want justice&#8211; not revenge.  Being imprisoned for life isn&#8217;t the party that people make it out to be.  I doubt you&#8217;re on a waiting list.</p>
<p>The thing is&#8230;  The perp in this particular case wasn&#8217;t 19 years old.  He was younger than 18.  The man who is still sitting on death row never pulled the trigger.  How is it fair that he still be sentenced to death while the perp is not?  How is that justice?</p>
<p>I understand that losing someone creates a need for SOMETHING.  I know.  I&#8217;ve been there.  Someone very close to me was beaten outside his home with baseball bats in front of his wife and kids.  He died slowly and painfully while watching his brain leak onto his front lawn.  There&#8217;s nothing specific you want, and you don&#8217;t know what it is.  You just want something to make that big old hole go away.  In the end, you start believing you want &#8220;justice,&#8221; but when you think of it, it&#8217;s really only revenge you want.  Then, when you get what you want, you realize that nothing has really changed after all.  That feeling doesn&#8217;t go away.</p>
<p>Then I turn to my religion, and I wonder what my God would have me do.  My God says that vengeance is His, and I know why.  It&#8217;s because He&#8217;s protecting my own soul, which would be horribly changed forever if I decided to pursue it on my own.  His instructions for me are to love and forgive and to reap souls for His Kingdom.  Vengeance accomplishes none of that.  As a matter of fact, I could be responsible for sending a soul to hell when I could have prevented it.  I don&#8217;t want that on my conscience, and I REALLY don&#8217;t want to have to explain that to my Creator.</p>
<p>Troy King merely pandered to a group of people who are bloodthirsty with grief or bloodthirsty with self-righteousness.  That&#8217;s all.  There is nothing comforting or moral about putting a child to death&#8211; regardless as to what that child has done.  Take it from someone who knows.</p>
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