The Saga Continues
We’re up over 200 comments in the most recent Ousley thread, so I’m going to open a new one (previous threads here if you need to catch up). I don’t mean to be flip with the post title — I’m just running out of ideas. Clearly, this story and its implications have touched many people. Some are sad, some are angry, many are both, and it appears that for several people here this is the first opportunity in years to address their situations openly. I’ll keep a forum going as long as you need it. If it’s time to move on, go with God. Healing comes in many forms, and I pray that everyone here finds the one that works.
If you want to stick around, please remember to be kind to one another. Almost everyone who has stuck with this discussion has done so because they were hurt by Rick Ousley’s actions over the years. Please don’t come here pretending to be someone you’re not (we had a little problem with a sock puppet recently, but that appears to be resolved). Do your best to keep your language under control; too much profanity takes away from your message. And, although recommendations and resources for addressing pastor misconduct and abuse are welcome, please don’t assume that one size fits all.
Thanks, everyone.
August 4th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Excellent diplomacy as always Kathy! I’m not able to be around as much, but I appreciate your willingness to keep this open for anyone. I’m sure there have been several jewels added to your crown.
Touche’ you are so correct…healing comes in all different forms and avenues.
Counting the days with you
!
Kimberly
August 4th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Thanks, Kimberly!
August 4th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Kimberly - I just looked at Mission Birmingham’s site and in their Servant Leadership Team and they have Dr. Chuck Singletary listed as a representative from Quixotic. I’m guessing he’s a board member. Is he also in Ousley’s pocket?
August 4th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Kathy & Broken Heart,
I am and was upset when I posted my last blog. Donna did not ask me to post for her nor did she ask for what happened after she posted. She ask me not to post or say anything but I’m full of anger for the again attack on a wonderful friend/woman. Her tearful phone call with Beth is what prompted me to post. Kathy, thanks for allowing me to post. Other than friends and family it was a way to express what I was feeling and read what other’s felt. I meant not for words to sound as an attack. We love Donna and know she does not deserve what just happened. I hope the person who did this is still reading. Just remember god sees everything we do.
August 4th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
RECOVERING BAPTIST:
I don’t know. I saw the same thing this am and wondered the same. I’m not sure who Chuck Singletary is. I’ll ask tomorrow, because I am good friends with someone very closely associated to Mission Birmingham.
It was my understanding that QM doesn’t exist anymore. But…Rick is working as a liasion between churches and construction. However, I’m not sure under what banner.
On the old QM website, Rick never had his board listed. I’m not sure how many there were. In March of 2007 when the story broke, the article mentioned his board but didn’t name them. It only quoted Gordon Pate, Rick’s attorney.
Greg Garrison of the Bham News authored the story. He may know who all the board members are. Greg’s on the up-and-up.
Not sure if this helps,
Kimberly
August 4th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
Nathan, are you saying that neither you nor Donna posted the comment in question? I’m still not clear, and I want to be sure I am.
August 4th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Thanks Kathy for keep this blog going….
I am still confused by the difference in saying the post in question was from Nathan but signed by Donna. How could that happen?
Alan Bell mentioned closing the blog but I am among many who want it to stay open as it is a tool of healing and getting information out to others.
Thanks again Kathy for all your hard work in keeping this running smoothly.
August 4th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
You’re welcome, BH.
August 4th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
BROKENHEARTED:
Alan also mentioned we are post 6 months exposure, but we’re not yet. We are post 4 months of the Bham News article by Greg Garrison. In time, we’ll all move accordingly to how we respond to the prompting of the Hioly Spirit.
In the meantime, I don’t dwell upon it for every second of every day. However, seeing as how Rick Ousley flamed the embers of wounded souls and spirits for decades…over 30…..I don’t think any of us are “holding on” or we’re impaired from activities of daily living because we’re choosing to come to this outlet.
Then again….I’m not a mental health professional, so what do I know?
God Bless and Hugs Everyone!
Kimberly
August 4th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
I have received numerous emails asking me to continue to post, but I must admit to being at a loss for what to say. Kimberly, I do not see where you personally attacked me, you took exception with a post and stated that…I completely understand and can accept that…however, shocked! said that I “completely discredited myself” and then Nathan compared me to RO and said I “took advantage of Donna”.
I sure am glad that God doesn’t judge me so harshly…if so, I would be already condemned to hell with absolutely no hope. I have never pretended to be anything other than someone completely unworthy to do God’s work and a sinner saved by God’s amazing grace.
Some have even suggested that I want to let RO “skate” on his past and allow him to get off “scott free” (I am paraphrasing). If you actually read back over my posts, I have never suggested anything like that. RO is living in hell…he may be wearing a mask that makes it appear that “all is well with me”…but when he is alone with his thoughts he must be in a living hell…if not…if he is able to do all he has done and not have regrets and not have the Holy Spirit convict his heart…then I can most assuredly say that he just may find himself bound for an ETERNITY in hell…folks, that is far worse than anything any man can do to him (this is not me judging RO)…just stating that either he is still living in hell here because of the fact that he has not admitted, confessed, repented, turned himself over to justice…or he WILL one day spend eternity in hell.
I have absolutely NO problem with people not agreeing with me on this blog…like Kimberly has said…many different opinions with many different levels of hurt and pain…but when you get attacked over an error in judgment, then that is a little over the top.
The fact of the matter is that I have received much support and encouragement through email (last night and today). AlabamaMomma, I appreciate your kind words and your understanding.
My hope is in a person…JESUS CHRIST MY SAVIOR…my desire is for all of you to know Him on an intimate level…if you already do, GREAT…if not, I would love to let you know how you can.
Still on my knees,
Alan
August 4th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
ALAN:
I understand your points. AlabamaMomma is a tender and sensitive soul that’s for sure.
I think for sure there are many of us that are skeptical of clergy based upon our experiences either at NPBC or TCABH. It’s like for 14 years I have to rewind and replay tapes in my brain authenticating with Christ, if there was ever any validity.
All this to say, I never had Rick Ousley up on a pedestal, if anything..I viewed him scathingly in recent years. I bided my time until my children were ready to leave BH too.
Personally, I think a full-fledged investigation led by women in the clergy should be utilized and it should be by a non-denominational body. I believe that’s the only way that the sins of Rick Ousley will ever be fully exposed, because as I stated earlier…male clergymen just don’t want to investigate one of their own and the Good Ol’ Boy Network is alive and well in Birmingham, Alabama.
I said today in a private email that if more of the women had come forward at the same time Donna did, then there may have been a different reaction than what was. However, the women in the past of Rick Ousley should have every choice to exercise free will and come forward on their own…just as Donna did. I firmly believe that. I have no idea why the wheels turn as slow as they do, or why some are out there currently praying for the churches that are going to give Rick Ousley a second chance. I think that’s such warped thinking and it makes me nauseated.
You’re right in the fact there are times that Rick Ousley has to get eventually get alone with Rick Ousley in various parts of the day.(now I’m paraphrasing) I have no idea if Rick continues to infuse his psyche with lies. I don’t waste alot of time wondering that because I know the truth and stand in the truth.
Oh, and Happy Belated Birthday. I’m 41 too. It’s not so bad.
God Bless,
Kimberly
August 4th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Alan, you may have said some things that didn’t come across perfectly, but who hasn’t? Communication via Internet is fraught with pitfalls; it’s hard to get nuance when you can’t see someone’s face.
You’re welcome here.
August 4th, 2007 at 7:49 pm
Thanks to both Kimberly and Kathy…I don’t want us to lose sight of the fact that Donna Jones will be publicly rededicating her life tomorrow at her church. Let’s look past my boneheaded post and support Donna fully…please remember her tomorrow morning in your prayers. I am stilled completely amazed that God was able to use me to touch someone as courageous as Donna.
I am all for bringing justice to RO…there is no doubt that he should face some VERY tough consequences for his actions…but as I have said many times over…let’s just try our best to bring glory and honor to God…I am not trying to trivialize this by saying that…I am just reminded that if we will lift up God…HE has promised us that He will draw ALL men to Him. I still believe with all my heart that is exactly what needs to happen with RO, that he come to a place that the Holy Spirit can work in his life and bring conviction in his heart…because a man that has been truly convicted by the Holy Spirit and humbly submits to that conviction, then that man will stand up and face his consequences because He will know that it will be the only way to please God and restore his relationship with Him.
The ONLY way to KNOW that RO will never victimize another person (man or woman) is for the Holy Spirit to CHANGE his life. I have two daughters (14 and 20), I understand the need to make sure it don’t happen again. But I also understand that if RO is truly evil enough to “plot” another scheme, there will be very little that can be done, because there will always be someone gullible enough to be taken in by him. We must pray for that evil spirit within RO to be replace by the HOLY SPIRIT.
Kathy, I never ever meant to use YOUR blog for any means that would appear selfish. My apologies to you…you are a most gracious host.
May the peace of God be with you all,
Alan
August 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
DONNA:
Just got home and saw Alan’s post. Much love to you tomorrow as you meet with the GREAT I AM!
Cyber Hugs,
Kimberly
August 4th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
Nathan,
I too am confused. Are you and Donna having problems with your computers? Not sure what you are saying.
August 5th, 2007 at 12:23 am
Alan,
There are some good people on this blog. You appear to be one of them. It is not easy to communicate on the internet. I do not agree with some of what you said but hope you do not feel that I was attacking you. I simply disagree.
You appear to have passion. That passion may be a gift to others that you do not even know that are reading.
August 5th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
I know, I know, I said I was not going to post again, but am I the ONLY ONE who is getting really suspicious? I just think it is interesting how no one had mentioned ‘closing this blog’ until Alan did then Donna and Nathan jumped on that band wagon.
Kimberly knows me, and she knows that I am in this as much as anyone, in wanting the WHOLE TRUTH to come out about RO…but the last couple of days, this blog has turned into a new direction….I want to stay focused on why this blog was started in the first place, to reveal THE TRUTH about RO in hopes that enough people would read and take charge of thier lives and protect themselves and those they love from the continuing predatory words/arms of RO>>>>
August 5th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
Shocked!:
No, you are not the only one. I do not want to be too judgemental since I have not been very involved. I was disappointed, but not at all surprised, about the turn the blog has taken. My husband and I have believed, for a good while now, that the blog was being manipulated. I am NOT referring to Kathy (She has gone to a lot of trouble for all of us.). We suspect in a couple of cases it may be wolves and sheeps clothing.
August 5th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
SHOCKED!
I just went back and read some posts from yesterday??? I think you posted some after Kathy started this new thread. From what Kathy posted in her opening for this thread…Kathy will not be closing it tomorrow.
Kimberly
August 5th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Alan Bell wrote:
“I am all for bringing justice to RO…there is no doubt that he should face some VERY tough consequences for his actions…but as I have said many times over…let’s just try our best to bring glory and honor to God…”
What does that mean, Alan? Why is there no doubt that he should face tough consequences? Are you going to make sure it happens? And if so, why?
You all need to try a little harder to bring glory to God, because if you think the things written here in this blog faintly resemble God’s kingdom, you’re wrong. There has been more bitter hatred spewed here than I’ve ever seen in a blog anywhere.
If it’s agreed that he did a horrible thing, and that he has lost any credibility and respect because of his actions, what more do you want to see done to RO? I really don’t know what you think this blog accomplishes. This was reported in March. What do you really want to see happen?
As soon as this posts, there will be posters saying that RO is being defended here. Nope. Not at all. I think what he did was horrible, and anyone who thinks he’s being defended here is a liar. What I am posting about now is not RO- it’s about you, and your fascination and delight at continually reading about more rumors about a fallen preacher.
And even if I did defend him (which I am not), it wouldn’t begin to negate the hundreds of evil rumors that have been posted here that have nothing to do with the original “sin.”
I just wonder why you all are keeping this alive? Why?
If any of you want to make sure that his name and reputation have been permanently soiled because of this blog, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. I think anyone who hs read this blog would agree.
So why do you want to keep this alive, after all these months? To make sure you give the glory to God?
Please.
Why is this thread still alive?
August 5th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
you guys are stunnly goofy. you let some bozo actually say that we are not saved by works so anything we do, even if it is over and over as in where the bible says not to crucify christ on a daily basis by such acts,
won’t keep us out of heaven. first there is going to be some goober pop up and define “heaven” for us then tell us just how god works and so on. good job. you want in deep to the whole backroom but buddy brotherhood stemming out of npbc type “bfa newtimes” into your search engin then read these articles. just to decide one way or the other if every smooth talking sob on this blog is greed motivated or not.
we just got another letter from the bfa attys. telling that the funds still tied up in biringham just freed up somehow. i asked my mom if she knew of ousley and the bfa working part of their scam out there. she said when her and karen’s father had visited there on a trip the whole bfa gang was there handing out cash like it was going out of style. to bad karen’s father wasn’t aware of just what rick had done to his daughter,,, i have a feeling ricks funeral would have been long before it will be now. anyway go read and decide where you feel god’s thoughts would rest. everyone seems ready to decide the mind of god and intentions anyway. no one seems to really look at this from anything but perverted points of view. sexual addiction couples into the various other addictions these idiots have used masonic influence to sew and reap the things and i mean everything they have done. them seeing themselves as god is “god’s” only part in this so it seems.
i’m on medication that impares my attention span. i haven’t responded to the folks that have tried to e-mail me privately very often. these things you guys are dickering about are minor to the loss of life and destruction of lives i’ve wittnessed these fine men of god pull off,,, the means and ways they found to use god’s name in vein over and over with plans to do so that spread around the world make these sex things a more amusing part of the total picture.
as to why keep this blog alive and the remarks as to what must be in each others hearts; what a bunch of dribble from people refusing to do anything the bible says other than claim forgivness. i guess this is a must to forget the accountabilty factors from the same scriptures. no one is going to publish a website extolling the actions of these predators??? i won’t even take the time to review bush’s message of: “if you help one, you are one” and relate where that puts all you. you know who you are and why you are waiting to spirtually and physicaly rape, pilliage and plunder just like the ones that should be dissmissed from any worship group guided by christ’s directions. all these people want is you under their thumb. go read the newtimes bfa series relizing ousley and jackson helped hide all the insiders just as much as hoover, crotts, friend and the others. many still attending npbc.
August 5th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
both hoover and crotts were indicted AND found guilty of fraud with this BFA Baptist Foundation thing - crotts is in prison serving his time - hoover died before serving his - those next in line should be R Jackson, Vicki Vaughn and R Ousley…..
August 5th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
phoenix is way too hot this time of year - but not as hot as eternity with Jesus…..just a thought….
August 5th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
oops………WITHOUT Jesus!!! I need to proof read before I post
Sorry, Lord forgive me………..
August 5th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
SHOCKED!:
I was wondering what the bfa was/is that Gordon was referencing. Did Rick Ousley participate in this?
Was this found to be a fraudulent scam?
Wondering,
Kimberly
August 5th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
SHOCKED!:
Nevermind…I just googled BFA and got a ton of info.
Thanks Gordon! and Shocked!
Kimberly
August 5th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
GCCRules: You wrote…”If any of you want to make sure that his name and reputation have been permanently soiled because of this blog, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.”
Um, correct me if I’m wrong, but RICK OUSLEY PERMANTLY SOILED HIS OWN REPUTATION…not the people on this blog. And you ask, “Why?” Well, Rick Ousley is still lying. He never acknowledged the fact that he has lived his whole preaching career as a liar and a predator. So, he’s still on the loose. THAT’S why people are concerned. THAT’S why people can’t get this out of their heads. Whose daughter will it be next time? The fact that he hasn’t been repentant shows that he’s the same ol’ Ousley, and he wouldn’t change a thing.
Do I believe it’s our job to judge Ousley? Nope. Do I believe we should forgive him? Yep. But I also see the need to protect others from him. And I see the need for the corruption in GOD’S HOLY CHURCH to be squelched forever. Do you think God is happy with letting SIN into His church by way of the pulpit??
I’m all for forgiving. I know Christ loves RO and wants to see him prosper. But it must start with a broken heart.
Has this blog always been pleasing to God? Nope. I’ve said some really stupid things, and I’ve asked forgiveness for those things. I want to please God with all of my heart, and I believe most of the others on here do to. We are only human, though, and sometimes hurt turns to anger. And when people are angry, they tend to vent. I’m not saying it’s always right or healthy. God will deal with each one of our hearts.
Have you ever thought, though, that pleasing God might include getting the corruption out of His pulpit?
August 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
GCCRules: Oh, one more thing…you asked if Alan was going to do anything about RO. I sure do wish somebody would. See, it’s people like you who tolerate corruption in the Church!!
JMHO
August 6th, 2007 at 12:03 am
Alamom wrote: “Well, Rick Ousley is still lying. He never acknowledged the fact that he has lived his whole preaching career as a liar and a predator.”
Acknowledged to who- you? When did you become the Holy Spirit? Does he have your address? I’m sure you never knew him. He came out with a statement, you know. Why do you want to dig for more? Is he responsible to you? And if this is your crusade, why just him? God can use you in a great way around your neighborhood, or around the world on the internet- to make everyone confess all their sins to you.
Alamom wrote: “Has this blog always been pleasing to God? Nope. I’ve said some really stupid things, and I’ve asked forgiveness for those things.”
You haven’t said anything. You’ve written them, anonymously, for anyone to read. Your stupidity and rumors and gossip are still being read to this day, and you have no control on when they’ll be taken down. I guess your asking for forgiveness is more powerful than RO’s.
As soon as I posted, Gordon chimed in on another tangent, a slam against the BFA, and some other “christian friend” now wants his slant (slander) on it.
Again I ask, why is this thread still alive?
August 6th, 2007 at 12:19 am
GCCRULES:
I’ve just finished reading indictments from the Arizona Attorney General’s Office. I don’t think that qualifies as rumor.
Since you’re so much into names…please use yours.
Just wondering here…do you read history books and call them rumors and gossip because you didn’t witness with your own eyes?
Do you read accounts of personal violation and because it didn’t happen to you…you label it as rumor and gossip?
Do you always try to silence anyone in which you disagree? How eerily familiar you sound.
Kimberly
August 6th, 2007 at 7:29 am
GCCRULES:
Given that Rick Ousley was a very public figure, (and apparently liked it
that way!) he owes an apology to the public. He certainly was willing to take money from people on the basis of his ministry. That he was a liar and a predator during that ministry is very relevant to many who contributed to that “ministry.” Perhaps they are owed an apology. I’m sure Rick has the names and addresses of those who gave him money. He’d better. The IRS likes to keep up with those details. Maybe he will call or write each of those whose money helped him live the life he chose.
Just a thought!
Lydia
August 6th, 2007 at 9:10 am
GCCRules: If you don’t believe that RO has some tough consequences to face for his sins, you need to read God’s word a little closer. As far as WHO will make sure of his consequences…that would be GOD…anything man can do to RO is completely inconsequential to what God can do. A man living his life as RO is…”as if nothing has happened” does not appear to be a man that has considered the devastation he has caused to 1,000s of people. RO was given an enormous gift…RO has more ability to preach in his little finger than many of us will ever have…RO was given the opportunity (by GOD) to reach hundreds of thousands of people…with that talent, gift and opportunity comes a tremendous responsibility to use all of them in a wise manner and for the glory and honor of God.
In my humble opinion, RO has shown remorse for “getting caught” but I do not believe he has admitted his sins, confessed his sins, repented of his sins and received restoration and healing. James 5:16a “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed”. Also, if you study God’s word carefully you will find that confession should be accompanied with (1) submission to punishment (Leviticus 26:41, Nehemih 9:33, and Ezra 9:13) and (2) submission to restitution (Numbers 5:6,7).
So you see, confession of our sins is way more than admission of guilt…by the way, RO hasn’t even fully done that. And yes, before you go and say…”how do you know”…well, because of the VAST number of people hurt by RO…not to mention the people that are now questioning their own salvation because of RO…RO’s admission, confession and repentance should come through some type of media outlet. He should be just as concerned about getting his healing process out to the masses as he was spreading the Gospel to the masses…because, after all, God’s healing and restoration is a BIG part of the Gospel.
God’s richest blessings to you all,
Alan
p.s., I apologize that my frustration is coming through in this post and it may be time for me to abandon the blog…just because I don’t want to see it drag me away from God.
August 6th, 2007 at 9:14 am
GCCRules: This if think this blog is no longer relevant - THEN WHY ARE YOU PARTICIPATING? All you have to do is STOP posting!
August 6th, 2007 at 9:18 am
GCC rules: better idea…why not jump onto RO”s new bandwagon of new friends he has yet to seduce….you seem to be so enamored with RO and his life - go be HIS friend - but we warned, if you have something he finds of value - be ready to give it up or lose his friendship…
August 6th, 2007 at 9:41 am
GCCRules: You asked why this thread is still alive…well, I guess so people like you and I can post. Why are you keeping it alive?
I told you before, it has nothing to do with revenge on my part (or most of the others on this blog). He doesn’t have to confess to me. I’m not his Maker, and I sure don’t claim to be the Holy Spirit. I’m human.
I feel like he NEEDS to be stopped. Because it’s our job to judge him? Nope. But because until he has stopped and turned from his ways, he’ll be a corruption to God’s pulpit. That’s why.
You said he made a statement. He has not, to this day, acknowledged his sin. He is admitted to the allegations that Donna had proof of, and that’s it (or at least the only ones he thinks she has proof of…there are more). Therefore, he’s still acting like he’s been an upstanding man of God for the rest of his career.
Nope, I don’t know him personally…praise the good Lord. I’m assuming you do. Maybe kin to him?
Again…this blog is a healing tool for those who have been victimized by Rick Ousley. Sin has consequences. Rick can turn all this around…anytime he’s ready. But he won’t. He’ll continue to live the lie.
So, I say to you again…YOU (and others like you) are the reason corruption is so prevalent in the Church. You tolerate sin from those who are supposed to be God’s messengers. It makes me sick.
August 6th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
ALABAMAMOMMA: AMEN !!!!
August 6th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
GCCRules wrote (in an earlier post): You all need to try a little harder to bring glory to God, because if you think the things written here in this blog faintly resemble God’s kingdom, you’re wrong. There has been more bitter hatred spewed here than I’ve ever seen in a blog anywhere.
GCCRules wrote (in a reply to AlabamaMomma): You haven’t said anything. You’ve written them, anonymously, for anyone to read. Your stupidity and rumors and gossip are still being read to this day, and you have no control on when they’ll be taken down. I guess your asking for forgiveness is more powerful than RO’s.
Wow, GCCRules…looks like you are doing a great job at bringing glory and honor to God yourself?! I wonder how many times Jesus looked at his disciples (or even a lost person) and called them stupid?? I mean, after all, we are all supposed to be imitating Christ…right??
My prayer for this blog…and has been from the start…is that BOTH sides come to a place of healing…RO (and his crew) and then all the countless number of victims. I know that is a big prayer…but I happen to believe that God is still in the business of BIG MIRACLES!
Alan
August 6th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
As far as I can tell, the only public statement Ousley has made regarding the affair(s) of his past was this: “In the fall of 2005, I committed a moral and spiritual indiscretion with a woman not my wife. That woman has decided to make this public. I have acknowledged my sin to God, my wife, my family and to my ministry team. We are all now attempting to deal with this as God leads.”
I think what people are watching and waiting for is an acknowledgment that this was an ongoing affair (29 years!) and not just something that occurred once in the “fall of 2005.” Also, Ousley should publicly acknowledge his “moral and spiritual indiscretions” with the rest of the women (and teens) he has soiled – those who have expressed themselves here on this blog and those who have chosen to stay in the shadows.
As for his remark about dealing with the situation “as God leads,” I find that completely laughable. Apparently God has lead him to golf course for repentance, much the way O.J. has been lead there to look for “the real killers.”
Oh, woe is me. I kneel before Thee and prostrate myself before you, my most precious savior of the 18th green.
August 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
big miricles through big prayer after these idiots hugely pass by all the other things god says must come first. that would be the miracle,,, god doing anything but ridding the earth of fearless sniveling cowards like ousley, jackson and the ilk which chooses to follow them. here’s a biblical paraphrase. “if you can’t make the small stuff work you won’t get the big stuff to work right either.” as the tree is bent so shall it grow— there are christain sex cults these perverts can join. then all their little perversions that get passed off as those around them who knew do now,,, or really try to have them overlooked,,, those actions can be the base for their big efforts of perversion to go smoothly. quit letting them be with you, physicaly or in your thoughts, or join in with them and seek out a group of like minded perverts for christ.
there is no single issue here to be disposed of,,, the jacksons’ and ousleys’ of the world want it to be but it is not and won’t be. they can get rid of things one point at a time but expose their play and they fold up, pack up and leave to find the next place they can assert the power of god through their personal perversions elevated by masonic thoughts and values apparently since masons are the only ones that will still have anything to do with them now days. watch both these scum sucking butt brothers and their assosiates head over seas to spend and help spend the money they helped steal making it look like “working for god” or “being called out of the country by god”. not hundreds of thousands,,, hundreds of millions of dollars. them and the families of the other thieves and insiders will find a way to spend their ill gotten gains or somehow live off of them.
this comes to mind after reading the last post,,,, a bunch of folks gathered to pray for the flood victims,,, did they take time to thank the one that sent the flood? did they take the time to rejoice in it and give thanks. i hope so. there isn’t one asspect of all the bullshit posted here i think deserves less.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
SAM: Tooooo funny. Would be funnier if it weren’t so sad.
GORDON: You (and those in AZ) have lived with this far longer than most of us. I understand your passion and anger. Considering what is still occurring in your community, I admire the courage that you and Karen have shown by speaking out so openly.
You have a deeper understanding about what has been going on behind the scenes (yet out in the open) all these years. I appreciate the awareness and the knowledge that you guys bring to the table.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:10 am
You guys are too much!
“Wow, GCCRules…looks like you are doing a great job at bringing glory and honor to God yourself?! I wonder how many times Jesus looked at his disciples (or even a lost person) and called them stupid?? I mean, after all, we are all supposed to be imitating Christ…right??”
Can you read? Alamom called her own comments stupid (”I’ve said some really stupid things”), and I was referring to her stupid comments, not her personally. It’s hard to blog when you have to explain plain english to people who can’t folllow along. I accept your apology.
Alamom wrote: “I feel like he NEEDS to be stopped. Because it’s our job to judge him? Nope. But because until he has stopped and turned from his ways, he’ll be a corruption to God’s pulpit. That’s why. ” and, Nope, I don’t know him personally…praise the good Lord. I’m assuming you do. Maybe kin to him?”
You all are tipping your hat. You are getting your jollies blogging about someone you don’t know, demanding a resolution you are not entitled to. You know he’s not remorseful… because someone wrote he played golf? He probably ate dinner tonight too… the unrepentant heathen! Ha ha- you guys are funny.
I would love to see the council you all are imagining in your head- Allen, STD, Alanon, shockey, gordin- all sitting at a table with your computers, finally getting RO to come beofre you and confess to all the stuff you made up about him.
You all are too much.
This is my last post, so have at me.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:39 am
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August 7th, 2007 at 8:24 am
GCCRULES:
finally - HOPEFULLY…you really are not going to post again…
you have no personal interest, abuse, neglect, etc., to report at the hands of RO, RJ, etc. so,,, really you have nothing to post that is of any interest nor consequense to those of us who HAVE been horribly treated by these ‘men’ who still roam as if their behaviour and the carnage they left behind are dust under their feet….
What I find comfort in is this…that although I want to see/hear RO’s brokeness while still on this earth, it may never happen, but I do know that he, RJ. me, every human WILL stand before our maker and be judged by our deeds….whoa on that day……..
i will be in the ‘non-smoking’ section on that day….
August 7th, 2007 at 9:09 am
shocked!: YES…that is the point I have been trying to make…RO needs to make sure that he is restored and reconciled with Christ and we can find many scripture passages that shows the path to be restored and reconciled with Christ is submission to punishment and restitution before each other (see my above post). We (all of us) may never see a contrite and broken RO on this side of glory…but he WILL stand before an Almighty God that WILL judge him…and my friends, THAT is far worse than anything we can do to RO.
My only other comment to add here would be that OUR peace, and OUR freedom should not be contingent upon RO’s confession or repentance. We look forward to that and we want to see it…but we have to find peace apart from that…and that peace rests in Jesus Christ our Lord!
Grace and peace to you all,
Alan
August 7th, 2007 at 9:50 am
SHOCKED!:
Did you eat your Wheaties today?
Appreciated the “non-smoking” section comment. Brought a smile.
ALAN:
You’re right about our peace. Mine is not contingent upon a confession.
I chooose not be apathetic though…to the plights here in the world of Rick Ousley just as I am not apathetic to the plights of the children in Sudan.
Apathy encourgages the continued birth of evil. Apathy endorses slavery…in every facet of life whether it be mental, emotional, physical, or spiritual.
*Ask any child that survived Danzig. (once thought to be a free and independent state)
*Ask any child in Sudan.(once thought to be free of war and pillage)
*Ask any grown woman that has survived Rick Ousley.(once thought to be a minister of the Gospel )Oh that’s right…so far there have been only two come forward and they’ve not been greeted well by the Christian nor Clerical communities. Is it any wonder the others won’t come forward?
Kimberly
August 7th, 2007 at 9:55 am
I believe others will come forward. And there will still be the “GCCRULES” kind who will sweep it under the rug so that more sin and corruption can abound.
August 7th, 2007 at 10:12 am
ALABAMAMOMMA:
To actively sweep sin under the rug is a passive form of acknowledgement.
When one sweeps, the sweeper is acknowledging the evil sin and is trying to engage in the art of “hiding.”
In a state of apathy, one turns a blind eye and chooses not to care. The apathetic individual engages a form of relativism. “If I didn’t see it”…or….”It didn’t happen to me, therefore it’s not important.”……This is much more dangerous and much more easily accepted.
My thoughts,
Kimberly
August 7th, 2007 at 10:16 am
TO THE PASTORS READING THE BLOG:
Is my above synopsis correct? Or incorrect? What do you think? Honestly…no sarcasm…that’s what I believe.
Kimberly
(Former Southern Baptist)
August 7th, 2007 at 10:36 am
Kimberly: You are correct on both assessments…to engage in a cover up scheme is contrary to God’s word. Job 24:16…”In the dark they break into houses which they marked for themselves in the daytime; they do not know the light.” Sin loves to high in the dark…we must cast light on sin so that it can be overcome.
And to be apathetic is basically the sin of omission. James 4:17…”therefore, to him that knows to do good and does not do it; to him it is sin”.
We are ALL called (regardless of denomination) to be the Light in a dark world.
Alan
August 7th, 2007 at 10:37 am
hide not high
August 8th, 2007 at 10:01 am
At the beginning of this blog many month’s ago I would read but never posted. I did feel hurt and anger because I too trusted RO.
I showed other’s this site and many of us felt the pain as people told there stories of what RO had done to them. It made a lot of us stop and think how very easy one of those stories could have very well been one of us.
I turned away from the blog when there was nothing but attacks on the ones that simply told there stories. People kept attacking others and then the language and words spewed out and god was no longer the focus.
Month’s later god is clearly not the focus once again. Bloggers who said they were leaving the blog because what had been said about them and or their families, etc., seem to be the one’s judging other’s as they return just as they did before when they pledged to leave (and not read).
I know this is a very hurtful subject. It hurt me just to read about it many month’s ago. If RO or anyone in his circle have been or currently reading this I’m afraid they are now laughing. This turned from facts with bible verses and prayers. Now there are those posting when and where and how many times he plays golf a week. I don’t care when and if he goes to Walmart. RO has gotten more attention and talk off this blog/public forum than Jesus has. RO ego is far big enough already. People you don’t have to post every time you see him. If he has not asked for forgiveness already (and who are we to judge if he has or not)? Then he better because he has a choice of heaven or hell just like we all do. That choice is ours and I choose heaven.
I hope you all find the peace you are somehow looking for.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Has anyone had trouble with access to this blog? Just wondering since there have not been any post since I last posted. I know my friends and me have not been able to activate the site until just a while ago.
Just watching and wondering.
August 10th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
There were some technical difficulties while I was out of town, but they have been resolved. Sorry about that!
August 11th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
seems this issue is over and done with - unless - until someone else is caught up in the snare of this predator….
sad, so sad…….
August 12th, 2007 at 10:57 am
I agree this is sad. I don’t think after all these month’s we will ever truly know how many people were hurt. I have now found out some are too scared to tell their stories. Does anyone know if RO is preaching still? I can’t find the name of his ministry but surly people know what happened and what he did.
August 12th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
I have prayed about this and can’t find peace. Why do I feel like Rick Ousley just got off again? His long time history shows how long and wide he did all these disgusting things. Sex outside his marriage (more than once). Misuse of money and authority within a church (more than once). If it was any one but Ousley who has/had friends in high places he would be in jail. In most cases if the cycle is not broken it will repeat itself. Is it broken?
If anyone cares to offer their thought’s I would like to know if my thinking is off.
August 13th, 2007 at 12:29 am
Angry,
You might feel that RO “just got off again” because he probably did. I, feel sickened by it, as I am sure many do.
Of course, I could be mistaken, but I suspect that the blog was being manipulated from the beginning; manipulated to lull us into thinking that something was being done to make a difference.
I feel sad for Donna, Karen, the woman that was raped; for all of us.
No, Angry, your thinking it not off. It appears that the cycle might actually have been perpetuated.
August 13th, 2007 at 9:02 am
donna, casper, etc. WHERE IS THE FINANCIAL EXPOSURE SITUATION? IS IT DEAD ALSO?>>>hope you were not just posting your wishes, and that something is/has actually been done about this….
August 13th, 2007 at 9:08 am
PTSD,
I’m sorry a little confused here. What do you mean about this comment you made?
“Of course, I could be mistaken, but I suspect that the blog was being manipulated from the beginning; manipulated to lull us into thinking that something was being done to make a difference.”
I’m sure your making a valid point that I’m just not getting about this blog. Please explain.
August 13th, 2007 at 11:59 am
Angry,
I understand your confusion.
Several times I tried to point out to the bloggers that there was something very wrong going on with this blog; lots of talk with very little action; lots of Christian rhetoric with not a whole lot of Christian behavior (which I admittedly and sadly participated in,and am very ashamed).
Go back and read the first thread. Read between the lines. Try to see who actually had (and maybe still does) have close relationships with RO.
I stood up to a couple of these people, challenging their lack of Christian care and charity. As a result, was visciously attacked with lies and half-truths; made out to be crazy, etc.
I felt STRONGLY that the bloggers, the victims were being strung along, and that quite possibly, Donna was being used.
[I will not attack or purposely try to hurt Donna, as she did my family and myself (She did apologize, just did not ultimately tell the truth.) I will say that I believe that she has been re-victimized by some of the players on this blog. I hurt for her. She has been through so much. Under her circumstances, I am sure it is difficult to discern friend or foe.]
I understand there is a lot of BS on this blog because a few of us seemed to enjoy hearing ourselves talk. Even so, if you are able to weed through the first few threads, you might see who the manipulators appear to be.
I believe with all of my heart that there are individuals that were part of this blog early on that were and are here for one reason———-to deflect and help to keep the heat off RO by stringing the bloggers along, by befriending Donna, etc. They did not attack the bloggers. They simply manipulated them away from the truth.
Of course, I am only a grief-stricken mother, whose family has been destroyed, who has investigated the people around this situaiton for 9 years—————-which makes me crazy, as a few players have tried to point out. Isn’t’ it odd to you that the major players did not want ANY of the information myself and my investigators have compiled all these years? Angry, be careful about putting too much into what I write. Afterall, I am just a loon who is too distraught to see the truth.
Angry, be careful about speaking out. You had be better be tough enough to handle the fallout from your fellow “Christains”. I admire you for pointing out that nothing is happening. Many are reading, knowing this and not saying a word to point it out. I urge you continue. Just remember to ask God to cover you in a veil of protection.
God bless. I pray you and others are able to, at some point, discern truth.
August 13th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
PTSD,
I have been reading this blog since it started. Maybe it is just me but I’m more confused now than ever. Are you saying that Donna “made her story up”? Has nothing been done to RO? Was that all made up fabrications?
PTSD, would you please clarify for me what that stands for? The only thing I could come up with was” Post traumatic stress disorder.” At this point I do not want to assume anything. I’m trying to understand you, so please bare with me. You and your family have investigated RO for nine years? In those nine years did you find evidence to prosecute RO? I’m just trying to understand this and every time I think I do, there is something that confuses me worse.
August 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Angry,
No————I truly believe that Donna did NOT make up her story. I sincerely believe that she was victimized, starting when she was a young girl. I suspect she was “handled” for other’s benefit.
Nothing being done—————-I could be mistaken, because I have not recently been able to keep up with the blog. Has something happened with RO that I am not aware of? Did anything come of all the meetings that took place while we all waited anxiously? Again, I could have missed something here. If so, my sincere apologies to all.
Investigation—— There is so much more to all of this than most understand. I came into the RO saga because of his association with a group of people that, we (my family, our investigators, people that have walked the journey with us) believe, have victimized our family. I cannot get more specific at this time. RO drew attention to himself (with us) because he was dishonest about his obvious relationship with these people. He supposedly did not know them————-but he obviously really did. In our point of view, it is about destruction of families, marriages, etc. basically for control and greed. Also, about smoke and mirrors with money for personal gain.
In our point of view, their are many players in this sago, many that most of the church members are not even aware exist. We suspect that it involves layers of people that protect each other in their ugliness. This makes it all easy to cover, hard to prosecute. This is why my family wanted so badly to share into with Casper and Donna. Of course, that did not happen
RO’s people know that would have put us all just that much closer.
PTSD———Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Some on the blog like to imply that PTSD makes one crazy. It does not. We, the victims, have a fight or flight reaction to threats, to situations in which our bodies and minds have cell memory as a result of threatening situations. Does this make us “crazy”? NO. Does it make us, sometimes reactive? YES.
I am reluctant to say much more. Originally, it was because I knew it could hurt my family. Now it is because I have seen Christians turn their backs when asked to help and because my family suffered serious betrayal on this blog.
Angry, I KNOW there are some truly good people on this blog; people that have been seriously victimized. Even when I have not agreed, I continued to love. Also, I have no doubt that there are, as I have said, several times before, wolves in sheep’s clothing, fox in the hen house.
I guess I am urging you to read between the lines, look beneath the surface and try to see if there might be something else going on with this blog.
Again, I am NOT referring to Kathy.
Sorry about any typos. I am trying to do too many things at one time.
Angry, again, you may write to me privately. Contact info is somewhere in the last three threads, I believe.
August 13th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Does anyone have Rick’s new telephone number?
August 13th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
“Angry”, I can see your email address even though readers can’t. Please use the screen name you have been using in the past. Don’t pretend to be a different commenter. Thanks.
August 13th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Kathy,
Have you ever seen such a tangled mess on a blog?? lol
August 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Ted Haggard: two peas in a pod (you and RO)
What a joke…and if I did have the number - I would never publish it on this blog…..
August 13th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Fact: Rick Ousley ADMITTED to a sexual affair while married.
Fact: RO had sexual relations with this same woman over a weekend trip, while preaching. This was confirmed by the property manager.
Fact: The woman admits this was over a 20 year off and on again affair. Does RO admit this?
Fact: RO was divorced & Remarried prior to working as an Asst. to RICHARD JACKSON former NPBC pastor during this alleged affair. Did Richard Jackson know of this allegation coming across his desk? Was there any other staff member, not church member…but staff memeber who knew of this? Then the staff member or staff members should be held accountable according to bibilical principles.
Fact: I was a young adult who was berated, talked down too, and gossiped about by the RO, Vicki Vaugn(patterson), richard jackson trio. I personally witnessed their abuse. However, I was too navie, and did not understand baptist polity(clickish) at this time.
Fact: The Baptist Foundation articles that you can read about in the state of arizona and cases handeled by the Attorney Generals Office shows how deep the corruption of the Southern Baptists were at the height of Pastor Richard Jackson, Rick Ousley, and Vicki Vaugn(patterson) empire before they exited Arizona.
August 13th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
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August 14th, 2007 at 9:55 am
former NPBC, Phoenix:
All of the above are true, and unfortunately, RO’s pastor in Houston AND the Lay Pastor’s at Broohills knew/know of his addictions…they are addictions because the behaviour has NOT stopped…..
Ask former Miss Alabama…Amy ?who now lives inTennessee…..
August 14th, 2007 at 10:01 am
ask a former Miss Alabama — AM..
August 15th, 2007 at 11:04 am
http://www.hpbc.org/cms/files/resourcesmodule/@random44ec85327ae8c/1174416890_parent_info_packet.pdf
Do you think this is an outdated publication? Surely he didn’t speak in June and July?
August 15th, 2007 at 11:40 am
NO…..RO did not speak at any Student Life meeting/camp during the summer. When the story broke, I personally called Student Life and asked if RO would still be one of their speakers for summer camp. They told me he had been taken off the schedule upon learning the news of his long standing affair.
Thank the Lord for honorable men such as Randy Hall, leader of Student Life.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
I will agree that Randy Hall is a great Christian man. Student Life is a wonderful organization. From the time the story broke about RO every effort to separate Student Life from any association with RO was done.
August 21st, 2007 at 10:41 am
Looks like this story has gone dead - and RO has once again slipped under the radar…sad, very sad……………..
August 21st, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Rick Ousley has hope…he can go to the Episcopal Church they accept everyone. For example, Episcopals accept…
1. Gay Governor who cheats on his wife.
2. Lesbians
3. Admitted Homosexuals
4. And, oh yea frustrated Southern Baptist School -Presidents.
And, they would accept Rick Ousley…i bet…
August 21st, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Phoenix, you might want to remember that this is a gay-friendly blog. Your snide comments are inappropriate. A person’s sexual orientation has nothing to do with his or her fidelity.
August 21st, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Thank you, Kathy.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 am
The issue with RO is not dead. Much is going on behind the scenes and everyone is hopeful some type of justice will be found. I believe RO could be charged with fraud, tax evasion, etc. but someone will have to supply the IRS with the information needed for investigation. I know there are people out there who have this information.
I do hope and pray Kathy will keep the site up even if no one is posting on a regular basis. They are checking in for updates. And I for one want to know if and when he ever is scheduled to speak in a church…. I will be there and I imagine others would go. Perhaps there could be a section reserved for those harmed by any type of RO’s actions. But then, I don’t think they would have room for all the members from TCBH’s.
His day will come regardless when he has to answer to the Lord of Lords.
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:53 pm
I miss Gordon.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Broken Heart:
I hope you are correct - that things are still progressing behind the scenes.
I do know that there has been substantial info (financial) given to authorities - but whether or not anything will come of it - is another issue.
August 22nd, 2007 at 7:15 pm
I have been away with medical problems all summer. It took me 3 days to catch up. But looks like this blog is dying down. I know that Donna has had health issues also. I was kinda hurt by some that did not believe my story. But you know what? God knows everything that I stated is true.
Wheather RO ever states the truth about he and I, it probably won’t happen. That’s ok with me.
Thanks to all that support me, Donna, Kimberly and all other victim of RO. It’s good to see there are so many.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Karen:
I hope you are feeling better these days. I suspect that most of us do believe what happened to you. I know I do. The story is too close to what happened to Donna. I have no doubt about what happened with her. I cannot imagine why you would make up such a thing while revealing your identity. It is my prayer that you will be able to take this experience and turn it into something positive for yourself and for others.
Sunny Arizona:
Gordon does have deep passion and, I believe, frustration that these guys continue to skate throughout the years. He has seen a lot, been victimized in his own way and endures challenges most of us cannot understand. His experiences give him insight that is over some of our heads. I know Gordon does express himself differently from many of us. I do not judge him, believe him to be a good man and I too miss him.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Karen,
So good to hear your are back. Donna had said you were having some major health issues and I hope you are completely recovered now.
Whether there will ever be any acknowledgement from RO about all the affairs, etc., please know that many of us truly believe the stories you, Donna, The Facts, Tim’s little sister, and Kimberly have shared.
I do wish there was a posting from Casper and Kimberly. They have been missed on the blog.
Prayers for your continued emotional and physical healing.
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 am
As I was reading some of the earlier posts I can’t quite remember who wrote that she still drives by North Phoenix Baptist Church on her way to work every moring and how she gets mental boils acting up or something like that. Well, it has been over 22 years since i graced the halls of NPBC . Now mind you in regards to Richard Jackson and Rick Ousley they were great preachers and the sanctury was a beautiful palce to go to hear God’s Word preached and listen to that wonderful pipe organ…i remember the awesomeness of God’s presence in such a mega church atmosphere. So it has been over 22 years….i attended NPBC this past weekend…oh my word…it has been destroyed…what did they do to such a beatiful church?? The pipe organ is gone, the pulpit is gone, the choir is gone, they have some makeshift choir and some makeshift area where the pastor stands without a pulpit….I thought I was at some Jay Leno stand up routine…And, most of all you would not believe that they have hanging from the ceiling are these BIG BLACK OMINIOUS SPEAKERS THAT COME DOWN LIKE UFO’s and you can’t help but look at them during the service. The music is a cross betweeen the assembly of God church and a upbeat B-rated Broadway muiscal. My word, what has happened to such a lovely church?? I could not take it…three-quarters thru I started to cry and left the NPBC Church…just before i got into my car i turned around and remembered a day when there was such a purity, a reverance during the chruch service…While looking at the NPBC i felt like i wish i could go back as a young adult not knowing about the hypocrisy, double standard, and all of the foibles of Richard JACKSON and Rick Ousley controlling polity. My word, NPBC is not NPBC anymore…it’s a shame…
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:40 pm
karen: Glad you are doing better - those of us who KNOW RO - know you are telling the truth = and so does RO, and I suspect his family now knows as well…..so don’t you worry about those who question your honesty - they are not worthy of your time - I know you and will always stand by you and be your friend…
August 24th, 2007 at 2:28 am
Wow . . . I only occasionally come onto this site and try to catch up with all that has been said back and forth. I’ve tried to figure out where I stand in all of this . . . as a long-time friend of Rick’s going back to his days as a Youth Minister in Alabama . . . but also as someone who in NO way condones any of what has happened over these years.
I have to agree with what some have said, Rick seems only remorseful about the fact that he was caught, not for the pain he has caused. Frankly, that is a tendency that I’ve seen played out many times over with ministers caught in such positions (no pun intended).
I have not talked to Rick about this issue, nor have I particularly wanted to talk to him about it. I know very well his ability to manipulate people with his words and I don’t want to be a party, even unwittingly, toward helping him find some form of credibility again.
I guess I see it this way, this hit his bread & butter - which, in my opinion, is his biggest addiction. Having the gift of being able to use words in such a powerful way became very lucrative for Rick, as it has for many ministers. Sometimes with money and prestige people feel the freedom to do what they want in other areas, thinking that they have full control of the people involved and the situations — a delusion that usually is the eventual downfall of the individual. This certainly happened to Rick. He is no longer invincible and, I am sure, he still has quite a lust for that powerful position.
I certainly can’t speak for Rick and what is going on in his head and heart right now — but, I personally can say that probably at some point we’ll see a “Jimmy Swaggart” style confession — because, frankly, I think he’ll come to the point of realizing that he can never regain any of what he had without doing that — and, do I think it will be sincere? No, not really — but, that’s not for me to say (even though I did, obviously) . . . it will be sincere in the sense that he sincerely wants to regain some of his past stature and power. I think we all know that won’t happen - but I guarantee you THAT fact hasn’t sunk in yet with Rick.
The bottom line is — Rick is about to learn the hard way, even if he ends up sincerely seeking forgiveness . . . that God is forgiving but those that generally claim to be God’s followers aren’t so forgiving. That’s going to be a hard lesson to learn for someone who has always been so good at manipulating people and situations for his own pleasure and success.
I think I am most amused by the occasional “good Christian” post where someone tries to prove that they are a “good Christian” while participating in what often becomes just petty gossip. Let’s be frank, we talk about this for two reasons — one: we are a person who has been victimized by Rick or someone like him and legitimately NEED such an outlet or, two: we really enjoy feeding in the gossip and innuendo trough of sensational stories such as this. It’d be a much more interesting board if we’d just acknowledge this and stay away from the preaching to each other. For those of us who only occasionally get to feed at this trough . . . it’s irritating to have to dig through the holier-than-thou accusations and petty playground arguments to get to the real food at the bottom of the trough.
For those of you who were directly hurt by Rick — this board is great — you need outlets and this allows you at least one. I hope you have many more, especially outlets with people you see often and trust explicitly. I’ve seen this pain too many times in the years I was a Baptist minister — and I still see it today. I admit, I find a substantial amount of glee when I see another manipulative “servant of God” get careless and get exposed. Maybe that’s wrong (I’m sure probably someone will point out to me why it is) but before you do, look up and realize we are all feeding in the same trough.
Peace!
August 24th, 2007 at 3:05 am
Rick Ousley learned from the best…his mentor Pastor Richard Jackson.
August 25th, 2007 at 8:26 am
hushhh: THANK YOU - YOU SAID JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID…THANK YOU FOR BEING SO ELLOQUENT IN YOUR WRITING AND FOR CARING ABOUT THOSE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS TABLE TO TRY TO FIND SOME PEACE.
PEACE…
August 25th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
You ready for this one…take a deep breath and sip your coffee…okay here we go…
I just finished reading the FOX News Report and they interviewed Former Pastor TED HAGGARD. In the article Ted Haggard and his wife are attending the UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX. Ted Haggard is majoring in COUNSELING. In the FOX NEWS article Mr. Ted Haggard is asking for donations because he and his wife are not working now…WOW…this was the end of the article….wait a minute …am I missing something…???????????????????????
August 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Hey Yall,
I really prayed about posting again but after speaking on the phone with Karen I was led here to do so.
Karen, as I told you on the phone there are many that doubt our stories and there is nothing that we can do about that. You and I along with God, our family and friends know we told the truth. Rick knows we told the truth as does Joyce. You and I discussed that Rick admitted to very little with me because he got caught. He admitted about the fishing trip because Greg Garrison spoke with people that saw us & rented us the cabin we had for a week. This was more than a one time thing and everyone involved knows that.
I have found peace in knowing that ME speaking out was the right thing to do. Rick would have never stopped it and it still would be going on. Hopefully my story, Karen’s story, Kimberley’s story and each one that have posted on this blog or who have spoken to me by phone or emails will help someone else. If all the embarrassment, tears and even health issues that have plagued me the last couple of month’s can stop Rick from ever doing this to another young girl, an adult woman or causing such pain to another family then it has all been worth it.
Rick and Joyce will never be that “super preaching couple” they tried to portray in the past. We all set out to spread the word of who he really was and I think we have done that. I have known Rick for over twenty-nine years and unless he has changed one hundred degrees he is far to vein to ever admit in a public way that he sinned with me, Karen and so many more.
Karen and I spoke that money was always Rick’s main focus. Yes, I’m sure that this has taken a hit on his and Joyce’s life style and that may be the only thing that has caused him concern. That is not for me to judge I’m only going from knowing someone for twenty-nine years and seeing how money was the top of his list.
Tears, hugs, handshakes and laughter were something Rick could turn on and off like a water faucet….he could make tears fall at a drop of a hat (he was an actor and sadly a good one).
This was not a one time thing for Rick. He began this life style in Houston when he was 29. Rick will be 56 in October. This was the reason his first marriage led to divorce. Having other woman in his life was more important than a wife and two daughters. That did not stop him he continued that until he got caught March of this year.
I have now spent more time speaking to youth at area church’s. I’m not ashamed to tell my story, I feel God is using me now to help other’s. I have put up my pictures of Rick and me, the recordings that Rick left on my answering machine were shared with many that helped me through the investigation and I have mine saved on a tape also. If and when Rick thinks he might want to preach again I will follow what God tells me to do but I feel anyone in that church with a leadership role needs to see what I have and then decide if they want someone like Rick preaching in there church.
It is not up to me to judge what is in Rick’s heart. I know I have asked to be forgiven and I have. I have gone on with my life and have even gotten closer with the lord and I can tell you there is no better feeling. I pray for all of you and pray that you all find peace. Karen in speaking with you I could already tell your attitude is so much different, more positive. Once again don’t worry about those that hurt your feelings by not believing. I know you are telling the truth and so does God…I love you and I will always be here for you.
Peace to all and may God bless you and your families.
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
1 TIM. 2:8–I WANT MEN EVERYWHERE TO LIFT UP HOLY HANDS IN PRAYER, WITHOUT ANGER OR DISPUTING.
August 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Over and over again the arrogance of the people that live in the shadows continues to amaze me.
August 25th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
PTSD: What do you mean? Please elaborate…
August 25th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
PTSD MOM- ****,
You and your Daughter/Son (not sure which it’s is because of the changes in your blog’s)
Will remain in my prayers as they have since you made contact with me with me through endless phone calls and emails……I know your last post was directed at me since I have not posted in a while…..I have gotten so many emails from other’s that have sent emails concerning you & all this…**** I pray for you and your family… I will admit I am confused as I have been since the day you made contact with you….each one of us has a story to be told concerning Rick. One way or the other I hope you find the peace you have made so public…. My prayers are with you.
I have only one regret and that is how the devil controlled my emotions at time….not only did I have to admit my sin with Rick but I made it public….I don’t think at anytime through this I was arrogrant….If I was I pray forgiveness from first God and then any and all that read any of my postings….
God bless you and yours,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
August 26th, 2007 at 1:25 am
Donna:
You are a drunken liar and one evil woman.
How DARE you put my name on this blog? How DARE you continue to post BS lies about me. “endless calls and e-mails” Were you drinking again tonight? You are an incredible piece of work.
Those of you that coddle her and support this ugliness are no better than she is. Many of you know of Donna’s problems but do not speak out because you are hoping she will do good for your cause against RO. You allow this ugliness towards me and keep your mouth shut. You guys KNOW that Donna is a very troubled woman but you continue to encourage her for your own benefit.
My last post had nothing to do with Donna at all. . I WAS RESPONDING TO THE POST REGARDING TED HAGGARD. I was referring to Haggard, RO, Jackson and others who portray themselves one way and then live another.
Donna why in the world would you think my last post was directed at you? Do you feel guilty when you drink and write ugliness and lies about others? Do you live in the shadows? I certainly did not think so. I have changed my opinion. Since you told the first lies about me, I quietly questioned your truthfulness regarding RO. Even so, I did not judge. I continued to support you. Now I am certain that you are a LIAR and believe only a little of what you said regarding RO and many other things on this blog.
The last time you were so incredibly ugly and told lies regarding me to these bloggers I decided to let it drop; to not confront you on the blog. Your so-called apology was also a lie because you never told the bloggers the truth after slandering me. I was determined not to reveal your problems to the other bloggers. This time I have had enough of your pious BS and lies.
I despise RO. Gal, you are certainly no better than he is. His sin is no worse than yours. You are an evil witch.
Donna, you need to get over yourself and get down on your knees and ask forgiveness. DON’T YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT WRITING ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT ME ON THIS BLOG.
August 26th, 2007 at 1:25 am
ALABAMA MOMMA:
Do you truly believe she apologized for her lies before?
August 26th, 2007 at 9:36 am
Bloggers,
I do not drink! I have no idea where *** got that idea. **** does not know me and after emailing me every single day soooo many times a day I stopped answering her emails.
She then would call my phones and fill up my voice mails I did not answer those calls either. As I have said each of us has our Rick Ousley story. Hers had nothing to do with me or any of the other woman that came forward. Hers is very different.
****, became angry when I stopped communication with her. She has emailed several people who have become close to me and those emails were shared with me.
I don’t drink. I have serious health issues and drinking with the medication I take for my heart would be an early death. I will continue to pray for *** as her blog plainly shows she is the one consumed with anger and could use all our prayers.
This public forum has been used for healing not to keep the drama going. People like to read progress not people spewing there personal anger. Once again *** you and your family are in my prayers.
God Bless,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
August 26th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Donna, if another poster is using a pseudonymous screen name here, you have NO right to post any personally identifying information about that person. Do it again, and I will ban you.
Everyone, please take a deep breath. If this thread degenerates into name-calling and passive-aggressive offers of prayer, I’ll close it.
August 26th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
KATHY and BLOGGERS:
I apologize for reacting so angrily towards Donna in this public forum. It was not fair to you guys.
I am not certain of the best way for one to defend themselves against outrageous lies and betrayal. Even so, I should not have put you guys through it.
Let me assure you all (if you care), I lead an incredibly busy life running a business, etc. I have no time to constantly e-mail or call Donna or anybody else. Yes, in the beginning when Donna promised to help me, I did call and e-mail (in an appropriate and reasonable fashion).
I have supported Donna every step of the way, even after she originally told lies and betrayed my family. I have been worried for her.
Since March I have come to care about the people that poured their hearts out on this blog. I again apologize to all of you for reacting in anger.
August 26th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Kathy:
I know this is your blog but it does not take a rocket scientist to see that PTSD Mom has mental problems. This is not the first time that she has attacked Donna Jones.
Reading back through the blogs she attacked Donna on several occasions when Donna did not act or do what she thought was right. Why does PTSD Mom think she is always right?
Donna has always stayed on focus to what she made public. I for one do not know Donna but I think she is a brave courageous woman for whom we all could take lessons from.
PTSD Mom it does not matter if someone used your name. If you were smart you would use it instead of advertising that you have a mental illness. Oh wait is that just another ploy to draw attention to yourself again? Get help for your condition and stop attacking people you are so envious of and yes, I feel Donna has showed you up more than once with the way she handles her self with true class. A lesson you could use.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
BLOGGERS…. do as Kathy says and take a deep breath and stay focused on the real issue at hand.
August 26th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
There are some of us (me included) that would have gone on thinking Rick Ousley was a super guy. He fooled me and I can’t even imagine the thought that my daughter was even ever around him.
All I’m trying to say is if Donna Jones had not publicly told her story we might not have ever really known what a fake Rick is. He choose a life that destroyed so many just for his own gain.
Thanks to Donna and the rest of you for telling your stories. God will bless you all in a big way.
August 26th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Have I missed something here? My husband told me to rea