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	<title>Comments on: Riley Vetoes Ethics Bill</title>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137264</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe, &lt;a href=&quot;http://alisdb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ACTIONViewFrame.asp?TYPE=Instrument&amp;INST=HB159&amp;DOCPATH=searchableinstruments/2007RS/Printfiles/&amp;PHYDOCPATH=//alisdb/acas/searchableinstruments/2007RS/PrintFiles/&amp;DOCNAMES=HB159-int.pdf,,&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HB159&lt;/a&gt; appears to be even broader than the bill that Riley vetoed, requiring anyone who lobbies the executive branch to register with the ethics commission, not just those who are lobbying in re: no-bid contracts.  Looks like the legislature didn&#039;t go as far as the governor wanted.  Maybe I&#039;m missing something here, but the veto still looks like sour grapes to me.  And I expect better of Riley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe, <a href="http://alisdb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/ACTIONViewFrame.asp?TYPE=Instrument&#038;INST=HB159&#038;DOCPATH=searchableinstruments/2007RS/Printfiles/&#038;PHYDOCPATH=//alisdb/acas/searchableinstruments/2007RS/PrintFiles/&#038;DOCNAMES=HB159-int.pdf,," rel="nofollow">HB159</a> appears to be even broader than the bill that Riley vetoed, requiring anyone who lobbies the executive branch to register with the ethics commission, not just those who are lobbying in re: no-bid contracts.  Looks like the legislature didn&#8217;t go as far as the governor wanted.  Maybe I&#8217;m missing something here, but the veto still looks like sour grapes to me.  And I expect better of Riley.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137190</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two different bills: Governor&#039;s Plan 2010 bill is HB 159, not the one he vetoed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two different bills: Governor&#8217;s Plan 2010 bill is HB 159, not the one he vetoed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137171</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://betweenthelinks.com/2007/06/20/riley-kills-ethics-bills/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dan pointed me to the fact&lt;/a&gt; that Riley&#039;s own &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bobrileyforgovernor.com/pdfForms/ReformStateGovernment.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2010 Plan&lt;/a&gt; proposes to &quot;fully disclose lobbyist spending to provide greater transparency to the public&quot;, and states &quot;I will once again ask the legislature to pass a law to require individuals who lobby the Executive Branch to register with the Ethics Commission&quot;.  Rep. Black alluded to this in his statements quoted in my post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The governor&#039;s own statements certainly imply that current law &lt;i&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; require such disclosure and registration.  And I just received a press release from his office that again trashes the legislature for failing to pass any ethics reform, ignoring the fact that the legislature voted overwhelmingly for a bill that addresses the very issue he claimed was so important.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So again I ask, why didn&#039;t Riley speak up about his big problem with this bill back when it unanimously passed the House?  I really want to know the answer; his lashing out at the entire legislature now seems like an over-the-top reaction from someone who is usually a reasonable guy.  (If he&#039;s angry because he believes his family was unfairly maligned, I understand that completely, but his response doesn&#039;t appear to be aimed at Zeb Little.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://betweenthelinks.com/2007/06/20/riley-kills-ethics-bills/" rel="nofollow">Dan pointed me to the fact</a> that Riley&#8217;s own <a href="http://www.bobrileyforgovernor.com/pdfForms/ReformStateGovernment.pdf" rel="nofollow">2010 Plan</a> proposes to &#8220;fully disclose lobbyist spending to provide greater transparency to the public&#8221;, and states &#8220;I will once again ask the legislature to pass a law to require individuals who lobby the Executive Branch to register with the Ethics Commission&#8221;.  Rep. Black alluded to this in his statements quoted in my post.</p>
<p>The governor&#8217;s own statements certainly imply that current law <i>doesn&#8217;t</i> require such disclosure and registration.  And I just received a press release from his office that again trashes the legislature for failing to pass any ethics reform, ignoring the fact that the legislature voted overwhelmingly for a bill that addresses the very issue he claimed was so important.</p>
<p>So again I ask, why didn&#8217;t Riley speak up about his big problem with this bill back when it unanimously passed the House?  I really want to know the answer; his lashing out at the entire legislature now seems like an over-the-top reaction from someone who is usually a reasonable guy.  (If he&#8217;s angry because he believes his family was unfairly maligned, I understand that completely, but his response doesn&#8217;t appear to be aimed at Zeb Little.)</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137165</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, here are Sumner&#039;s comments in today&#039;s Huntsville Times about this issue:

&quot;James Sumner Jr., executive director of the Alabama Ethics Commission, agreed with the governor&#039;s office that the bill was redundant and poorly drafted. 

&quot;&#039;The beginning of the story for me is that we were never asked to comment on it (the bill) or offer any advice regarding whether or not it would be useful,&#039; he said.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, here are Sumner&#8217;s comments in today&#8217;s Huntsville Times about this issue:</p>
<p>&#8220;James Sumner Jr., executive director of the Alabama Ethics Commission, agreed with the governor&#8217;s office that the bill was redundant and poorly drafted. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;The beginning of the story for me is that we were never asked to comment on it (the bill) or offer any advice regarding whether or not it would be useful,&#8217; he said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137162</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps these two statements from Jim Sumner will shed a little light on the reason why this bill was vetoed:

&quot;Jim Sumner, executive director of the State Ethics Commission, said Tuesday legislators developed the bill without consulting the commission. If they had, he said he would have explained that it was &quot;far broader than they realized&quot; and could have affected thousands of people doing business with the state.&quot;

and. . .


&quot;Sumner said that if the bill had become law, doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers and many others getting routine state contracts would have had to register with the Ethics Commission. Sumner estimated the impact would have been in the thousands.

&quot;It was extremely broad,&quot; he said.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps these two statements from Jim Sumner will shed a little light on the reason why this bill was vetoed:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jim Sumner, executive director of the State Ethics Commission, said Tuesday legislators developed the bill without consulting the commission. If they had, he said he would have explained that it was &#8220;far broader than they realized&#8221; and could have affected thousands of people doing business with the state.&#8221;</p>
<p>and. . .</p>
<p>&#8220;Sumner said that if the bill had become law, doctors, lawyers, architects, engineers and many others getting routine state contracts would have had to register with the Ethics Commission. Sumner estimated the impact would have been in the thousands.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was extremely broad,&#8221; he said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137149</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be so naive as to think these guys read the bills before voting on them.  They ask, &quot;What does this do?&quot; And the sponsor of the bill says something like, &quot;It&#039;s about ethics.&quot;  &quot;Oh, OK then, I&#039;ll vote for it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be so naive as to think these guys read the bills before voting on them.  They ask, &#8220;What does this do?&#8221; And the sponsor of the bill says something like, &#8220;It&#8217;s about ethics.&#8221;  &#8220;Oh, OK then, I&#8217;ll vote for it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137114</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joe, I&#039;m not giving Zeb Little a free pass.  I summarized what was in the article that I linked.  I honestly don&#039;t know if the bill is a good one or not; I just think the two criticisms cited sound contradictory.  And while I&#039;m not surprised that there is partisan posturing going on, I am surprised that Riley appears to be attacking the Republicans who voted for the bill.

And I see in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.al.com/politics/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1182331031164720.xml&amp;coll=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Huntsville Times article&lt;/a&gt; that Rep. Black, the bill&#039;s sponsor, says he hasn&#039;t heard anything from the governor&#039;s office about the bill since he got generally positive feedback early in the session.  Again, I ask why Riley&#039;s office didn&#039;t question the bill much earlier, given its level of support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joe, I&#8217;m not giving Zeb Little a free pass.  I summarized what was in the article that I linked.  I honestly don&#8217;t know if the bill is a good one or not; I just think the two criticisms cited sound contradictory.  And while I&#8217;m not surprised that there is partisan posturing going on, I am surprised that Riley appears to be attacking the Republicans who voted for the bill.</p>
<p>And I see in the <a href="http://www.al.com/politics/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1182331031164720.xml&#038;coll=1" rel="nofollow">Huntsville Times article</a> that Rep. Black, the bill&#8217;s sponsor, says he hasn&#8217;t heard anything from the governor&#8217;s office about the bill since he got generally positive feedback early in the session.  Again, I ask why Riley&#8217;s office didn&#8217;t question the bill much earlier, given its level of support.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa in Hoover</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137103</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa in Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article in this morning&#039;s newspaper and my first thought was that Riley was whining because HIS proposal was not the one that got passed. Seems a little petty to me - kill all ethics reform because they didn&#039;t vote in your proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article in this morning&#8217;s newspaper and my first thought was that Riley was whining because HIS proposal was not the one that got passed. Seems a little petty to me &#8211; kill all ethics reform because they didn&#8217;t vote in your proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://www.queervoice.net/kmcmullen/2007/06/20/riley-vetoes-ethics-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-137057</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see: Zeb Little gets to say, without offering any proof at all, that the Governor&#039;s children are lobbying, but you give him a free pass? Read the Huntsville Times article on this issue.  Jim Sumner says the bill is unnecessary, redundant and poorly drafted.  His words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see: Zeb Little gets to say, without offering any proof at all, that the Governor&#8217;s children are lobbying, but you give him a free pass? Read the Huntsville Times article on this issue.  Jim Sumner says the bill is unnecessary, redundant and poorly drafted.  His words.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The World Around You &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Getting Beyond the Headlines</dc:creator>
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