New and Improved RO Thread
Catch up here. In other news, I’ll be out of town this week, but the blog will be well taken care of in my absence. Be kind to each other.
Catch up here. In other news, I’ll be out of town this week, but the blog will be well taken care of in my absence. Be kind to each other.
June 9th, 2007 at 7:44 am
donna jones: I think you have taken this entire mess WAY beyond where you should have in relation to the ones who have bared their souls on here…you had better step back and take a look at your TRUE motives towards these people…
are you TRULY honored by their openess and willingness to share - OR - were you just using them to aid and abed you in your quest?
not judging your initial move on RO - just beginning to question your motives now……
your motives and lies and seemingly MULTIPLE posts as different people have been questioned, and are STILL IN QUESTION,,, tread very softly - for you may lose your integrity in this quest - and if you do - you will find yourself alone - in the middle of this mess…with no one to face RO with you….
June 9th, 2007 at 11:46 am
i richard jackson and rick ousley have to big the biggest pieces of shit i have ever known. to send off some s.o.b. like ousley after what he did to karen to begin his own “house of unspoken sin” just like jackson had set up and was eventually run off from (NPBC) should be against the law. investigate their use of corporate sole standing and it is. these men are nothing but scum sucking bottom feeders looking for company. the things they did and the way they treated folks in better days would have got them shot or hung,,, i won’t cut short peoples feelings; they would have been both shot and hung. now days there are just a bunch that can’t wait to dance on their graves and piss on the head stones. you have any doubts about either man or their actions go to my site and e-mail me. i’m not reading all this guessing crap. the guessing crap is over. after richard jackson held what he knew about my father over his head while making him NPBC’s director of finance while being kicked out my folks ended up divorcing but unlike jackson my mother would not let my father have his girlfriend around after finding out (jackson took his, vicky, from her family gathered up his wife and finally left) she divorced Darrell mcguire and ended up marrying karen’s father. her mother was on staff at NPBC when both my father and i were too. she died from cancer. her father died a few years ago after three years of marriage to my mom. are these men the a-holes they come off as??? you bet ya!!!!
i don’t know much about what constitutes embezzling -vs- taking advantage of a trusted legal position. the putz jackson sat on a bank board that went defunct at the same time keating went down for the same class of acts. through a member of npbc jackson felt hooked up to the whitehouse and through non-members also,,, probably still does. all in all the “insider’s” who got away with selling property over and over for huge profits the same day are still free and roaming. there are hundreds of millions still not accounted for, while many folks my age got to see their grandparents work at wallmart type things to just get by. the vicky thing was out there for all to see and people got used to having their attention redirected just as when arron morrision killed himslef due to the threats of revealing his relationship with the head chef which jackson knew of being gay and took full advantage of that fact. forbes wood turned out to be another of jackson secrect “boys”. my father admitted to years of fooling around with joy diamond and is now married to her. jackson told my mother to her face when she asked why he didn’t say anything to her “you shouldve’have known, you were sleeping with him”. jackson had private investigators on everything all the time. there ain’t much he didn’t know. and less he wouldn’t be boastfull of. i would sneek around just to hear conversations noone else was meant to hear. i had all the keys. sorry but your name doesn’t ring a bell. have you seen my website??? you know if my father was a little more dedicated to his family instead of his dick it might not have taken over 40 years to get a proper diagnosis and appropriate help. and my mother could have reached even higher levels of success instead of attending some bunk bunch of crap filled palace with a “who knows what” level of activity being the main directive.
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i guess next time i post the question. is this personal you might wonder??? karen stakemiller ended up my step sister. everyone quoting scripture or what christ means needs to remember the years of self capitchulating influence you’ve been under. both richard jackson and rick ousley didn’t gain their power and wealth having good honest hard working folks on staff around them. anyone that brought to light what was going on was quickly let go or felt a call to anyplace else is what i saw when i was around. i was told that if i didn’t thith i couldn’t work there. i filed with the wage and labor board for another reason, got sorted out thanks to my father having all staff come through his office to be questioned. i told one man and he had told. it took me telling several people about the love letter i found in my dad’s desk before he admitted his fooling around a few years later. it took his admission before i would believe it. i understand the resistance to accept the obivious so am i saying wanda jackson is also a victim…. either that or a knowing helper. the wage and labor board never was allowed to examine or conduct a full investagation but that all happened about the time the staff was in more turmoil. my own father fired me and i was gone. this is good stuff to get out. i may have to copy abunch of this and make a site for it since it’s so hard to find items with these “thieves for christ” names on any sites nowdays.
June 9th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Ok ya’ll, I’m going to have to agree with Shocked. When I first came on this blog, I was very conflicted about the whole thing, and though I didn’t mean to, I came off as “holier-than-thou.” As the blog went on, I found myself getting caught up in the whole idea of “bringing RO down”, and I said some ugly things…things that I should’ve kept to myself, as a Christian.
I have come to love Donna. She has made me laugh harder than ever before at some of the funny little things she throws into her blogs. And I have supported her in her quest to stop a predator. However, I feel like her focus, along with some others’, has changed from seeking the Will of God and doing all things according to His plan, to getting revenge…at the expense of whoever is in the way.
PTSD came on this blog in the very beginning…looking for answers, because of a missing child. (And your child is still your child, even if they are now an adult.) Admittedly, at first, I was leery of her whole situation, and I kind of placed her situation in the “bizarre” category, and went on. As time went by, I saw her compassion for others (even when she was hurting most)…and I saw the hurt she has harbored for all of these years, as she poured her soul out on this blog, looking for answers. She has been working on her case for many years, and has worked with some major players in the world of law enforcement and investigation. She has traveled the road you are all traveling. Her story has ALWAYS been the same to me. It has never changed. She has never lied. She knows things that would be helpful to your case, but you don’t want to deal with her situation, so you have turned her away. As you know, she deals with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (hence the PTSD name). It was brought on by the whole ordeal with her child, and she manages it as best she can. I know we all make mistakes. Maybe she shouldn’t have stopped posting. Maybe she came off harsh in a couple of e-mails as she begged for help. The truth is, though, she has a child that is in grave danger, and all she ever wanted was to be a part of this investigation. I spoke above about my mistakes on this blog. PTSD will tell you herself that she has made mistakes. She stopped posting a while back, because she was being ignored. And not only because she was being ignored, but because she became increasingly uncomfortable with the ugliness and felt that she was falling into it. She begged…yes, begged…for help from others, and after they got all the info they wanted, she was history to them. I have come to love PTSD, as have many others.
Donna…while I love you too, I think your attack on PTSD was unwarranted and just plain mean. And the crappy thing is, all of this is being said in God’s Name. You even came back on the blog a second time….JUST to post that GG was done with her, too. What you did was mean-spirited. Some of the things you posted could have just blown years of investigation for her. You said way too much…just like you’ve said way too much about your intimate details about RO. Sometimes, you lose credibility when you let it ALL hang out. Several have mentioned this in e-mails to me. Really…if you’ll take a step back from the blog (as I have for the past few days/weeks), you’ll see how unGodly this whole thing is. You said you prayed about what you were going to say about her, and then you blasted her, as only Satan himself would be pleased with. And Casper(s), you jumped right on that bandwagon.
Just as Shocked stated…Donna, be careful about what you post and how you post it. You are losing credibility. GG will be washing his hands of this soon, I’m afraid. For example, when you posted several times about names/numbers I had given you. I never gave you any information. And then you posted that you were not confused. I tried to email you to clear all that up, but you didn’t email me back. Don’t get me wrong, I want justice for all, and I want RO stopped. You guys don’t even see that you’re sabotaging your own efforts. Step back and read the blog. God cannot be pleased with the way this is happening, and He won’t bless it. Please step back and check your motives.
Again, I admit, I have said some STUPID things, and I have gotten caught up in the whole revenge thing, too. I apologize for the dumb things I’ve said. I’m sorry. I invite you all to take a step back. Read the blog. Really read it. Don’t you know the outside world is laughing at us?
I have come to love and care about all of you. I just couldn’t stand around and watch while you guys plowed right over a grieving mother. I’m appalled that, in a CHRISTIAN community, one of our own has been treated with such hatred and spite. And what about the other bloggers/readers who have not taken up for PTSD? She doesn’t deserve this. I’m sorry to have drawn a line in the sand, but there comes a time when you have to either side with right or wrong. And I’m choosing to do the right thing.
June 9th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
OK, I’ve been reading all of this for some time now, and am more than bothered by the sudden attack on Donna. AlabamaMomma, why is disagreeing with you suddenly the “wrong thing”. This blog was supposed to be about RO and (hopefully) his demise. It seems to me that Donna was saying that she could not get off-course with other issues. Why is that a bad thing? I don’t doubt that PTSD is hurting and dealing with issues we can’t imagine, but that’s not what this is about. Donna is just one person and can’t be all things to all of us. I say, let’s all get back on target…and that target is RO. If that sounds vengeful so be it, but we should all be angry at what this man has done in God’s name. He needs to be stopped and for good. My opinion, but if satan really wants to get his way, the ole “divide and conquer” should do it!!
June 9th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
BB: I’m not saying agreeing with me is the only right thing. I am saying that blasting a grieving mother, and saying it is what God wants you to do, is just not right. I have done wrong by posting snide remarks about RO, instead of truly getting on my knees and praying that justice is done and lives are restored. Do I think he’s a sick man? Yes. Do I think he needs to be stopped? Yes. My post to Donna and others had nothing to do with the need for him to be brought down. My post was about getting off of PTSD…she didn’t deserve what Donna said about her and about her case. My post was also about agreeing with Shocked about Donna’s focus/motives being off course and her self-destructing behavior in her posts. That’s all. The “right thing” is doing what God would have us do. I apologized for the wrongs I’ve committed on this blog. Really, step back and look at it!! We look like a bunch of lunatics!!
June 9th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
AM: You have just proven several points. You have used the word “blasting” concerning Donna’s message to PTSD…that is YOUR word, not Donna’s. Perhaps her message to PTSD was too wordy. Perhaps this was not the venue to elaborate about her case. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps… I come back to the same point - I don’t know the woman, but as I said before, she can’t be all things to all people. And, yes, the “right thing” is doing what God would have us do. But we are His instruments and some times we are not perfect instruments. We can only try to have the heart of God. Now, seeing all this through God’s eyes, the lunatics HAVE to be RO and his tribe!!
June 9th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
I’m sorry did not know a new page had been started and I have two blogs on the page before.
Thanks,
Donna Jones
June 9th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
donna: you did it again,,, in your blog June 9th, 2007 at 12:39 pm AND June 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm you could not stop at being truly sorry for your horrible attack on PTSD…you had to ONCE again - tell ‘your story’… WE ALL KNOW YOUR STORY and have suppored you in your quest for all things revealed, but when you attacked PTSD - you did the very thing to her that you blasted others earlier for doing to you … so where is your compassion - the compassion that you asked of those who blasted you?
And, please quit using Karen’s name on your posts. She is an adult and is more than capable of posting herself - I know for a fact that you are gathering info for your quest and ANYONE who questions you or your motive gets ‘your story’ again…GET ON WITH THIS THING>>> and if you truly have GG, and all of the men who were ‘former’ friends of RO’s on your side, what is keeping you from confronting this and moving on — RO and JO have not left town - they can be found by you and whomever decides to ‘march’ with you, but for the love of God, do not attack anyone else !!! Your credibility is in question….
and Bothered Bonnie: i hope you are not the Bonnie I know…that Bonnie would have more sense than to excuse Donna’s cruel behavior…
June 9th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
10 Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11 For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe’s people, that there are quarrels among you.
12 Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, “I am of Paul,” and “I of Apollos,” and “I of Cephas,” and “I of Christ.”
13 Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
Paul wrote to the Church at Corinth, calling them on their division. They had begun following men (Cephas and Apollos) rather than the true leader of the Church (Christ)!
Everyone needs to stop aligning and attacking for a moment and consider the larger picture. We are all on the same side, even though our stories may differ. This has gotten way out of hand! The Church cannot continue to feed on itself!
In His Love,
KWA
June 9th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Unless there are behind the scenes communications that I have no access to, I fail to see where all of the anger directed at Donna and Casper is coming from. The fact that the attacks on them are suddenly being stepped up makes me feel that they are getting closer to their goal.
There is an incredible amount of information that has come out. It is inevitable that people will misspeak or say something out of anger or get confused over something posted earlier. For the most part, people have been quick to apologize and have had an open heart when looking at their own failings in posting.
KWA’s correct that we must not attack each other, AND, we must not be so quick to take offense. It is very easy to misread the tone of something written.
Lydia
June 9th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
KWA: Thanks for the scripture on divisiveness. I just know that RO is reading this and smiling - they’re fighting in the ranks.
Lydia: You are so right! Occasionally, someone is going to say something “wrong” and upset someone else. Let’s all remember that we are here for the same reason…to reach a goal. And, can we please give Donna a break? As I’ve said, she can’t be all things to all people. Even with “mis-speak”, she has shown an incredible amount of courage concerning the long arm of RO and company.
June 9th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
FYI - ..ro does not even have internet access now - so he is not reading this…
June 10th, 2007 at 1:29 am
moving on……………
now everyone just got a glimpse of how RO slipped, and dodged bullets all of his life……”be patient enought, and they’ll forget about you”. Is this what we want? NO
So, no more on the subject unless your from the RO camp and your intent is to keep the confusion going. Identify yourself by your next post…
For the rest of us, we’re back on target……
Here’s a suggestion, let’s all pray that God’s direction will be clear and that through all of this mess, He’ll be the one who is glorified in whatever way is best serving to the Kingdom.
June 10th, 2007 at 11:57 am
i really didn’t think i would have to go this far for “casper” but since you refuse to leave directing others’ live out of your prayer casting here: how about rejoicing over everything that has occured is occureing and will occur know that it has already been, is and will continue to work for good.
the direction you seek casper is a perversion in itself according to God’s Holy Word.
June 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
i really didn’t think i would have to go this far for “casper” but since you refuse to leave directing others’ live out of your prayer casting here: how about rejoicing over everything that has occured is occureing and will occur know that it has already been, is and will continue to work for good.
the direction you seek casper is a perversion in itself according to the finer interpratatons of God’s Holy Word. the actions of this man have been brought out and found to be true,,, if your in his circle of worship and have any question of your actions they are greed motivated.
June 10th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
ok maybe not rejoice, rejoice,,, but at least be thankful for all things…
June 11th, 2007 at 12:28 am
wrong, so wrong
one identified
June 11th, 2007 at 8:22 am
I read every day, but have only posted once, but must say to Gordon McGuire, you’re dead wrong about Casper’s involvement in this situation. I’m only on the outside looking in, but have read since day one, and without Casper, Donna would have gotten nowhere. As he’s stated before, his only goal is to have RO exposed so that healing can begin and all victims can move on without worry that RO will continue to abuse women and weave his web of deceit on “friends” and churches for his financial gain. Casper, and I have no idea if that’s male/female, has been a stable and constant “force”, and in my opinion, was only reminding the people on this blog that many comments being made recently have no value or help in this quest. I also must say that since you’ve begun to post, there have been more negative comments than ever before, and I truly don’t think you mean to come off that way because you, Gordon, also seem very sincere. Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers at each other and if you can’t say anything positive, it’s time to quit posting.
June 11th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Lanelle,
I totally agree with you. I hope Gordon will quit spilling his anger on this blog. That is serving no purpose other than to get the direction of the blog going in an entirely different direction.
June 11th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
Update:
On the blog a few days ago, I felt the need to take up for PTSD, because I felt sorry for her as my friend, especially after all she’s been through. So, I posted…and man did I post. I was really touched by the way Donna (again) owned up to her crap and laid it all out there. I think it took a lot for Donna to apologize to PTSD in a public forum, and as a Christian, it warms my heart to know we’re all human, but we can kiss and make up. Though it’s not my job to mediate (and some probably feel like it’s none of my biz either), I have become friends with PTSD, and I posted out of frustration for a hurting mother. It’s not my job to post if someone’s motives are pure or not…only the Lord knows that. I have been so conflicted throughout this whole entire blog. The awesome thing, though, is that God is not conflicted. He’s not sitting around wondering who’s side to be on. He loves us ALL and knows our hearts.
I have seen in this, though, that Donna is hurting too. And I know from personal experience that sometimes, we post things while our emotions are high, and wish we could stuff the toothpaste back in the tube, but it’s too late. I apologize to all for getting us off track. That was not my intention. Everyone is working toward the same goals here:
1. To glorify God.
2. To see true repentance from Rick Ousley.
3. To witness healing for all victims.
As Christians, it is (as KWA stated very well) imperative that we come together and love on each other during this storm. Sometimes, it takes a few days for me to be able to sit back, cool off, and see things the way the Lord would have me see them.
I love PTSD and Donna as sisters in Christ. I look forward to all differences being put aside as everyone works toward the same goals. I have been convicted in my heart about how harsh I came across in my post to Donna, and I just needed to share.
June 11th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Alabama Momma,
I would like to say “Thank You” to you and those above that have posted concerning myself and PTSD Mom.
I thank all of those also that have sent emails. Emotions are running very high and I’m out spoken and many times it’s not what I say it but how I say it!
I’m sorry once again, I’m human and I spoke my feelings when I should have just kept them to myself or sent PTSD Mom an email.
My huge concern is people reading and seeing all the fighting and being turned off by this blog. Each one on here is different and has there own views of things.
Once again me included needs to make sure that God is leading and not emotions. If we put God first and let him lead I think there is nothing wrong in people having different views but we might not be so harsh with our words. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. We are all different and have our own opinions I for one will just try to be a better Christian and friend with the way a portray my own opinions verses what others think and do.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
June 11th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
to open to allow the truth or God’s involvement to come forward and keep the confusion caused by the ones that started all this to end is what you have going here. my comments you may see how ever you may but do you have the where with all to prove them biblicaly incorrect. you all are sticking with how you feel about what but fail to mention anything but happy talk about the hope that is being pushed off by you guys. i can wait. i will wait. the folks to do something about your mess is not you. even the cops know when to pull an officer. and when a shrink was caught in a sexual relationship the first thing his fellows did was yank him from seeing clients then yanked his license, then told his wife and found a counsler. not play God and hope for change. Good luck kids… you want me, write me like the others have. i’ll be looking for other ways to expose these scum sucking perverts before they can make more of themselves by recruiting folks like you guys. folks that work and provide money for perverts. look at your actions and thank God for all things or continue to lean on your own understanding to prove that in your life God will be ignored until you can make sense of the situation.
June 11th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Gordon: What? I’m sorry, but I just can’t make heads nor tails of your posts. Can you elaborate?
June 12th, 2007 at 7:52 am
Alabama Momma: this is just my opinion, after re-reading Gordon’s posts’…
he is saying get on with this thing - stop ya ya ya on this blog making inuendos about what is going to happen and actual confront this thing with RO and whomever you feel is responsible for his continuing disgusting behavior, and get it over with…and begin the healing….
by dragging this thing on and on and on and on is just festering and getting people in a tizzy so that they at times can not see spiritually that this thing needed to be handled months ago - and DO NOT SAY — just because we have not done something does not mean that progress isnt being made…you have talked with RO”s board members - either they are with you or not - and there are flights to Bham everyday - i support your decision to expose this but the posts on here might as well be a duplicate of weeks ago - same ole stuff.. get on with it or shut up~
June 12th, 2007 at 8:04 am
Board members are not law enforcement. Board members are not pastors in many cases. Sometimes, it takes awhile to gather evidence. Sometimes, not everything that is done is posted. Make sense?
Kimberly
June 12th, 2007 at 8:06 am
Oh, and I told my husband days ago when Gordon first posted that I couldn’t make sense of his ramblings either. Alabama Momma, I knew exactly what you meant, because I’ve been thinking the exact same thing.
Kimberly
June 12th, 2007 at 10:20 am
kimberly: good points….i stand corrected……..
June 12th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Shocked,
You said, “this thing needed to be handled months ago.” Actually things should have been handled YEARS ago. That’s part of the problem. No one stepped up to hold him accountable during the many accusations over the years. A “problem” that has been neglected for 29 years will not disappear overnight.
Lydia
June 12th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
lydia: you are correct…….
June 12th, 2007 at 6:55 pm
LYDIA & SHOCKED:
Technically speaking, it’s been longer than 29 years. Rick was already divorced from Deb when Rick met Donna. Rick told me in the summer of 1996 that infidelity had occurred on his part while Rick was married to Deb. This of course, was told in my “pastoral authority sessions.”
Adding of course, I sworn to secrecy.
A decade later looking back, even after all I’ve been through in that tangled web of deceit and fraud, I still get nauseated when I remember some of the “lies staight from Hell told by Rick.” I guess I’ll know when I’m totally healed. It’ll be the day I don’t get nauseated. In the meantime, I will keep on keeping on and that doesn’t mean that I will be posting everyday.
Some things have to remain close to the vest….as instructed by God. I’ve said for months that God’s wrath has it’s own destiny and I still adhere to that precept. The story continues to be told.
God Bless,
Kimberly
Ezekiel 34 and John 10
June 14th, 2007 at 7:54 am
why is this blog so quite?
June 14th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Hey Yall,
Just wanted to say Hello! Shocked yep been a quite week as for the blog but as stated before that does not mean things are not happening behind the scenes I assure you they are!
Everyone out there please keep praying. Next week is a very important week as it will mark the end of the three month suspension for Quixotic Ministries & Rick Ousley.
This has been something we have all been waiting for. There moves within the Q-Team and Rick Ousley will very much determine a lot of different things and situations for all of those that have been going through this for the last three months working with different people and Company’s, Agency’s etc.
This has not been easy for anyone. I have let the stress of all this get to me far more than I had expected. In doing this it has effected me in several ways but one I will once again express that I have made comments on this blog that were wrong and offended many. For that I’m once again sorry.
As my mentor told me Tuesday. I have to look at this like a death. It’s time to bury this and move on. We all could have done that three month’s ago if Rick Ousley would have told the WHOLE truth. Until that happens or the next phase begins I still sit and look at an empty coffin. I know that sounds weird but it sure made sense when she said it LOL!
True repentance from the Ousley’s were really all some wanted. They have not done that as to date. The truth has NOT been told, so once again we will tell it for them. My Dad humors me by describing this like a baseball game. Bases are loaded with two outs and the batter is up to bat with two strikes.
Yall, have a Great Day! Thanks for putting up with me this last couple month’s. Thanks to all of those that have emailed I have gained so many personal relationships out of this. That Is something I will always treasure and thank God for daily.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
June 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
donna,,, please allow me to ask a question of you. what type of things would you and rick discuss at these interludes? did he ever make mention of richard jackson? did rick ousley and you ever share alcohol, cocaine or any other questionable substanse? have you ever had any type of drug use in your past? i only ask this because back then and now i say i have never seen jackson preach sober. he was always one to “make” others by who folks hang out with while diverting attention away from his friends that got caught with large amounts of cocaine. seemed to be very prevelent around NPBC back then. i knew and supplied a lot of dope dealers back then. saw many of them at church carrying on as nothing in the back ground was going on. i find it hard to believe at the bottom of this are a bunch of folks that never want to be known for what they got caught for but also won’t admit things that would add damage but shed even more light on the matters.
June 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
keep on keepin” on…..
June 14th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Gordon:
If you know of cocaine use by anyone involved, then take it to the authorities. Especially if you are a witness….you’re obligated.
Kimberly
June 15th, 2007 at 12:07 am
Gordon,
I believe Ms. Jones stated in previous posts that the two of them shared alcohol, or at least that Ousley drank somewhat heavily on some occasions when they were together. I don’t believe the use of illicit drugs has come up, but it has never been inquired about as well — at least not in this forum.
Hope everyone is well. Have a nice Friday.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:03 am
My comments to Gordon Mcguire…YOU ARE 100% RIGHT ON! I use to attend North Phoenix Baptist Church. The “Power” that these people had were unbelieveable. And, that secretary Vicki Vaugn who went thru a divorce while providing marriage counseling was the biggest joke. Vicki use to be known as Vicki Patterson. As a young man I was navie, and green about their “baptist polity.” Or, should I say, “KING RICHARD’S” empire. Thank God I don’t go there no more…it took years to heal. It amazed me that for just a couple of baptist preachers…the things they knew about people and how they held things over their heads amazed me…I knew something was going on with that Kicthen Manager who over-saw the food department. I know ..but, how in the world does somebody like Richard JACKSON RESIGN after building that empire…something happened…in time , I hope it comes out…
June 15th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Hey Yall,
Gordon, I will answer your questions. First I want to say this to all. I have learned more about my whole life of 44 years in the past 3 months. I mean that when you speak out and make public what I have made public and you speak with people I have spoken with. Learn this from me
They will look into your whole life. I have been told how old I was when I got my first speeding ticket and how old I was when I had my tonsils out.
What I’m trying to say is they will dig into every crack of your life to see if you are creditable. I don’t do illegal drugs nor have I ever. I agree with Kimberly that if you saw this and you have proof then you need To contact the proper authorities. Gordon, I reread your post and realized that you made mention of cocaine used widely around your church but at the same time you stated that YOU supplied it. Hmmm guess that’s why you never went to the police.
I will also make this statement, as much as I’m NOT a Rick Ousley fan anymore. Throughout the 29 years of being associated with him and was around him at no time did I ever see him do any illegal drugs of any kind.
I have seen Rick drink wine and Bailey’s in his coffee. I have drank wine from Rick’s glass. I do not like the taste of wine but would drink a little with Rick when he had it. I never got drunk with Rick. I have seen Rick drink to much on a couple occasions. As, to what we talked about when we were together. Most of it was us or daily life. Rick did not like to talk about church, God or family much. We don’t usually talk about what we are running from.
Rick, at no time in our relationship ever spoke about Mr. Jackson. I only know what he looks like from seeing him on TV because at one time NPBC either had there services on TV or I had seen tapes of him. The only comment Rick ever said about that church was that he hated having to sit on the stage during the whole service. I think he also makes reference to that in one of his preaching that I have on tape. I first heard about Mr. Jackson and his alleged affair upon making contact with your Stepsister Karen Stakemiller.
Once again let me say that my entire life has been looked at. Daily life, family life, college years, they even know I went to two different elementary schools because we moved when I was in the third grade of school. I had even forgotten that. They know every address I have had in 44 years and I honestly could not have given you those.
I have made some mistakes in my life. I, am not perfect. I have been told when my first wreck was and then got to relive that one out with my Mother all over again. My Mother and Father are wonderful Parent’s despite the mistakes I have made. My Mother said to me the night of that first wreck and when this all came out. “If you would have listened to me and done what I told you to do you would have never put your self in that situation.” She was right then and she is right now. I say that because many youth through the years were effected by the Ousley’s. I have gotten ton’s emails from young adults, Parent’s or even Grandparent’s. Where someone in there family was affected by Rick Ousley now that some of this has come out.
Each situation is different, and each email is different. It amazes me and scares me to death that one man could impact so many different people in so many different situations. I know that my relationship with Rick Ousley started at a young age. I urge young people to listen to there Parent’s and speak up if you have questions.
Sam, was good seeing you back on the blog
LOL…God sends me little messages this song just came on as I was about to type my name. “Choices” I’ve had choices, since the day that I was born. There were voices, that told me right from wrong.
If I had listened, no I wouldn’t be here today. Living and dying, with the choices I’ve made.
God Bless each one of you and your Family and Friends. Hope everyone has a safe and happy weekend.
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
June 15th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Gordon,
I answered your blog but my post shows ” Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Peace,
Donna Jones
June 15th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Donna, my prayers are with you. You did the right thing coming forward. The RO, RICHARD JACKSONS and Vicki Vaugan of the world are very intimidating…they can make you look like your the one with the problems, the sins, and not doing the scriptural thing. However, there needs to be light put on these people…I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU DONNA…In your last entry you say that “THEY KNOW” EVERYTHING addresses , etc…. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT??? THANKS AND TAKE CARE DONNA…
June 16th, 2007 at 6:52 am
MIKE: Are you Mike Childers from NPBC?
June 16th, 2007 at 9:41 am
Mike,
Thank you for post. Yes, it was a long time coming before enough was enough with myself and Rick Ousley.
I, agree with you that there is still a lot of light to shed on several situations and people that Rick Ousley were involved in. Mike, as I stated I have not ever been to your church. Now that I have come out and spoken to the Media, Police. FBI etc. Why don’t those that were at the church speak out and let them know this is going on then you can explain the alleged link between Rick Ousley & Mr. Jackson?
Mike, I guess you were wanting to know who “they” are? I was talking in general about everyone I have spoken to through these many month’s, Media (TV, newspaper) Board members, police, FBI, friends (past and present). pastors (all over throughout different states). Lay pastors, church secretaries.
I have told the truth to each one I spoke with. I had things to back up my story and claims such as pictures & messages left on my voice mail from Rick Ousley. Disgusting enough Rick did spin his web at your church by getting Karen Stakemiller pregnant. She and I have become rather close. She has spoken to a couple of people and sent things to a few of stuff she had. Clearly there is still things that needs to be taken care of. Karen’s and mine’s main focus right now is to get her leg healed as it should be.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
June 19th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
What’s up folks? The blog is mightly quiet….
June 19th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
BROKEN HEART:
My key board might be quiet, but I can assure you my mind is not quiet. I’m personally working many directions being led by God. Some directions are painstakingly slow, but it requires perseverence and patience. I can’t speak for others here, only myself.
I had coffee this morning with a fellow blogger. It was great seeing her after so many years. This blog has been a bittersweet blessing in that I’ve been able to reconnect with several old friends while making new friends as well.
Enjoying the rain,
Kimberly
June 20th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Hello Everyone:
Just wanted you all to know that Rick Ousley is now removed from the website of Mission Birmingham. I know there were several others that have been dismayed as I have been at the lack of accountability.
However, certain steps are in motion. Quixotic Ministries is still listed, but that may indeed be a mistake. I will be looking in to that as well.
Big Hugs to all the females across the country that have been prey. Please remember…God’s eyes are watching to and fro’. There will always be earthly men who are foolish and arrogant.
The Holy Spirit of Jesus is keeping watch. Know that you each are uniquely loved by the wonderful, mighty, and great Jehovah Rapha. He restores; He heals.
Shalom,
Kimberly
June 22nd, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Tomorrow it’s 3 months. Reckon there’ll be another news article soon?
June 22nd, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Hopefully the article is forthcoming. Don’t want it to come out before all the facts are in the reporter’s hand. The blog has been so quiet for a week now and I just hope that doesn’t mean folks are losing interest in seeing this through. I am afraid those in RO’s ring will think interest is fading fast without any activity on the blog. Hope there is lots of work going on that we don’t know about. Justice and God will conquer!!
June 23rd, 2007 at 7:51 am
Broken Heart: This may just be the ‘calm before the storm’; don’t lose heart….
June 26th, 2007 at 9:43 am
With the lack of any word from Miss Jones or anyone else involved, I’m beginning to think this may be the “calm before the calm.”
June 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
sam: i hope not…..
June 26th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Cynic that I am, I have been wondering for some days now whether the deafening silence on this subject was an indication of a confidential settlement agreement.
June 27th, 2007 at 8:31 am
mumsy: settlement between who?
June 27th, 2007 at 8:33 am
mumsy:i am a little concerned -that ‘once again’ ro may have slipped through the minds of those involved and those who were observing, and will continue, as he always seems to, into another chapter of his life………….
June 27th, 2007 at 11:15 am
Hey Yall,
Just wanted to blog to say hello and tell everyone that has emailed thank you.
I have kept up with the blog but really prayed about continuing to post. Speaking out about my affair with Rick Ousley effected my life in a much deeper way than I ever expected.
When I began to hear about Rick & Joyce selling there house and moving into one even bigger and rent free for an undermined about of time. Stories of Rick seeing people at Walmart and hugging them like nothing in his life had changed. In talking to men that were on his board or very close friends and hearing how they were used for money and a free ride. I became bitter. In my own mind I was paying a higher price than Rick was. I was the one on this blog having to explain myself and sometimes defend myself for my sins that I had already asked forgiveness for.
Emails continued to come in. The ones that hit be the hardiest were from men who would write how sick this had made them. They would express how much Rick had impacted there life. How they wanted to be like Rick and now they doubted everything they had been taught.
In no way have I come to any agreement with anyone but God. I have not talked to Rick Ousley (all though he has called my cell phone). In speaking with a reporter yesterday we talked about that Rick has lived this lie for over 30 years. I don’t know what is in Rick’s heart I have to leave that to God to judge and not me. I don’t know how or why Rick would want to officiate a wedding last weekend but he did. In praying and asking God to give me those answers I still come back to there is still no truth or owning up to All OF RICK’S LIES. Not just his affair with me or Karen or the other’s that have come forward. There have been money issues at three large church’s when Rick was on staff.
In reading different chapter’s in the bible and really asking God to help me get over this very difficult time in my life I realized I had to forgive myself first and then Rick. Does that mean I will forget? NO does that mean if I hear he is doing anything at a church I won’t call to make sure they know his past? NO
Everyone that knew Rick Ousley allowed him to get away with this. When my councilor told me that I about jumped out of my chair screaming NO I DID NOT!
I then listened as she told me that if I would have said no at fifteen I could have stopped him. It would not had led to sex at the age of eighteen and twenty-nine years later going public with years of allowing him to manipulate me. If staff at churches would have listened when people came forward Rick could have been stopped sooner.
Trust is huge! I trusted Rick which allowed him to fully con me and lie to me and I believed in him and what he said. Just as this reporter said yesterday Rick was the adult. Rick was the preacher. Thirty years of lies came to light when I spoke out. I truly believe that Rick still has not told the whole truth. I believe that he won’t until he is faced with that person or situation. He has not said he got Karen pregnant. He has not said he forced him self on a married woman whom he was counseling for marriage problems. Rick said and told very little to get by with what I said. I have to believe the rest will come out. God has his timing and he will handle things. In a ten month period Rick had two very serious brain surgeries. He lived through both of those and continued right where he left off with his lies to God, his family, friends and what ever he called me.
Rick is no longer Chaplain of Samford University football team nor his he associated with Student Life camps. For that I’m thankful. I will continue to talk to anyone that calls or emails me concerning Rick Ousley. Do I think Rick Ousley will ever own up to all his wrong doings? I truly believe he never will in this life time. One day he won’t have a choice because everything he did and every heart he lied to will all be right in his face when his name is called. As this will happen to each one of us. Each of us will pay for our own sins.
I have grown up a lot in the last four month’s. I so wish I could take so many rude things I have said back. I was mad, confused, hurt and was so bitter I hurt people that were already hurting. All I wanted to do was take Rick Ousley down. I now realize that Rick did that to himself. Yes, there are going to be people that want him to do there weddings and yes there are people that will have him preach at there church. I cannot stop that. I can pray that those people have full knowledge of what he has done and what is very capable of continuing doing. This is another very clear example of what money and greed can do to a person when they put material things before God.
Thanks for you time in letting me post this and continue to pray that justice will prevail so there are not other’s who fall prey to this very experienced con man.
God Bless you and Yours,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
ggarrison@bhamnews.com
June 27th, 2007 at 11:53 am
SHOCKED and MUMSY:
I don’t know of any settlement. I do know a few of the regular bloggers have been seriously ill.
On a note regarding Rick Ousley, supposedly there is an accountability group in progress. However, I would think being disqualified from ministry is all encompassing and that means…no speaking engagements, preaching, endorsing, or WEDDING OFFICIATING. Maybe the accountability group gave permission to officiate a wedding last weekend or perhaps…Rick went off on his own and officiated a wedding without the group knowing. It appears that Rick’s perception of disqualification doesn’t mean Rick.
Personally, I think it’s sick.
Kimberly
June 27th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Sorry, my handle should be with an uppercase K and not lowercase K. don’t want to cause confusion.
Thanks,
Kimberly
June 27th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
My post above is saying “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”
Peace,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
June 27th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
Kimberly: Accountability group? Are they aware that ro is going to be investigated, and this is in motion as we speak/write? And, are they aware of the things being revealed on this blog? If they are, and have not ‘encouraged’ RO to come clean, then what good are they - if they even exist….
June 27th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
I know their intentions are good, but I really believe that they are clueless as to the deviousness of Rick. That saddens me, after all that has been said on this blog.
From my prior experience in knowing Rick Ousley, he is exceedingly arrogant and has surrounded himself with arrogant people.
On the other hand…I don’t believe Dr David Platt is arrogant, but he refers to this and other blogs as gossip. I’m chalking that up to his youth and the fact that he unknowingly stepped into a huge mess at Brook Hills.
I personally emailed a pastor here in Birmingham last week and asked why Rick’s name was still on Mission Birmingham. I also told him what I had heard..that Rick and Joyce were out of town so Rick could officiate a wedding. On that very day, Rick’s name was removed from Mission Birmingham.
I know that Rick is still lying about Donna. There are many arrogant people here in Birmingham that believe Rick’s story about Donna and that it was just a one-time or one affair. They have chosen not to believe there are more women. Suffice it to say they have huge scales over their eyes.
The Birmingham News Editorial board has decided not to print another article unless Rick gets back in the pulpit. Personally, I think it should be a go since he officiated a wedding last weekend. But that’s my opinion. I’m not the Birmingham News.
My offer stands to open my house for all the women (victims of Rick Ousley) across the country to gather here for a prayer vigil before confronting Rick. Rick is a sick predator and all those in his “inner circle” are just as guilty for giving him permission to continue.
Those are my thoughts,
Kimberly
June 27th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
Kimberly,
Your writing’s have touched me so much from day one of this blog.
I don’t know Dr. Platt I have never seen him nor met him. I did listen to his sermon when the story of the news about Rick broke. I tried several times to contact Dr. Platt via phone and never got through to him.
I do not in any way shape or form think this blog is gossip. I think it has been used in a very healing restoring way. Yes, there have been a lot that has come out. At times which I have been guilty of emotions have got in the way and things have been said the wrong way. We are all human and we make mistakes.
The lack of accountability is why we are still blogging today. Rick is the most arrogant person I have ever met in my life. When this all came out there were jokes that he could be in the movies and people made comparisons between he and Nick Nolte. I quickly put that out of my mind because of times I was with him and people would actually tell him they saw the resemblance between he and Nolte.
It made me stop and think of so many times when Rick and I were together. Rick often carried two cell phones. Both phones had call waiting on them. Some of this makes me very sick to even think about which is why I guess Is some of the reason I have been so sick lately. I now remember Rick on the phone with both phones and sometimes someone on hold and he would change his voice and totally take on this role with whom ever he was speaking to. He had different voices and different laughs and was just acting to whom ever he was talking. He has done this for thirty something years. The more you do something and get away with it as Rick did the better you get at it.
I look back now and as I said in my above blog that is still in moderation. He had two affairs when he was at a church in Spring, Texas and married to Deb and had his two daughters (April & Amy). He was asked to leave that church. He went to First Baptist in Houston, Texas. Once again he had an affair but this time his ex wife Deb filed for divorce. Rumors spread that she did not want to be a preachers wife. Very untrue! Why did people not check out his back ground? He then started traveling to church’s all over. My church was one and that’s where and how my Rick Ousley nightmare got started. He was told divorced preachers did not look good. He met and married Joyce and continued to travel and preach. Why didn’t North Phoenix check out his back ground? He was at that church and had more than one affair leaving one very special woman pregnant with his child. Why didn’t The church of Brook Hills check out his back ground? Rick was at this church for fifteen years. The sad stories that have come out about both Rick and Joyce and the three girls during this fifteen years has been shocking to me and I have known them all for 29 plus years.
Why did staff members take Rick’s side? Why did no one listen when men and woman came forward to tell what had happened? Why were people so one sided? Why did the staff pay off three huge loans for Rick? Each time only allowing themselves to be manipulated from one of the best? Why were there serious money issues once again at this church but people pointed there fingers every where but the one they should have seen was the root of the problem? That person is Rick Ousley.
Is Rick still lying? YES! Is Rick sorry? I know my bible says we should not judge but as much as I never want to see him behind a pulpit ever again I truly think I would have rather heard that than to know he actually officiated a marriage ceremony. I was married and now I’m divorced. Marriage in scared and that day you take those vows are scared. Why in God’s earth could Rick Ousley stand up there and preach a wedding when both times he was married he was unfaithful to his wife’s? That shows me he has NO REMORSE WHAT SO EVER. It also shows me that whom ever he married did not know the scum he is or really did not take there wedding serious like it should be. These area pastors have the authority to try to help Rick. I truly believe in my heart until Rick Ousley tells the whole truth about me and every other woman, every single wrong doing with money that he took from church’s he cannot be helped.
I have to look at it this way. If a church ask Rick to preach knowingly knowing his back ground and what he has done then that is not a church I would want to attend. Rick has committed crimes that would lead me or anyone else to life in prison behind bars.
When I got my divorce it was very hard for years and years for me to be able to attend weddings. I can remember joking that it was worse than going to a funeral. My ex and I have remained friends and even attended functions together. I think Rick doing this wedding plainly shows all he is not sorry for getting caught. I think it was vein and disgusting. It truly states a huge message about what he is and what he stands for.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
June 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
DONNA:
You’re post is well-written and illustrates the turn your life has taken. The introspection you’re utilizing will help you in the future.
Greg wrote a great article in the Birmingham News a couple of Fridays ago regarding the new “Baptist Statement” regarding sex abuse within SBC churches. It was the week Greg was in San Antonio covering the convention.
Truly, if the SBC really wants to confront predators and sex abuse in the SBC, they can appoint an independent commission to start investigating. There is no better place to start than right here in Birmingham at THE CHURCH AT BROOK HILLS and RICK OUSLEY.
God Bless,
Kimberly
June 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
DONNA,
I truly believe part of the reason that so many are willing to turn the other way is because Joyce herself continues to lie for Rick. Good grief, if the man’s own wife participates in the scheme, it’s simply horrifying.
It is simply wrong of Dr Platt not to receive your calls. Whether or not Dr Platt wants to admit or not, he has victims in his congregation. He has ministers on staff that covered up for Rick. That’s the bottom line.
Rick is an evil predator and he bought his own lie a very long time ago. Yes, officiating a wedding illustrates clear disregard for his circumstances. I expressed those sentiments last week to two people here in Birmingham that I respect. Both are pastors. So, there are at least two people here in Birmingham that have a clue. The important question is….Does the man that has been appointed to head Rick’s accountability have a clue? I think not. If he authorized Rick to officiate a wedding, that’s a slap to all of Rick’s victims.
One pastor that I shared with did not know of any other women. I withheld names because I wholeheartedly believe these women should have the same opportunity to come forward.
I believe there are more women out there than just you and I that knew of his affairs in Texas during his marriage to Deb. Why do Rick and Joyce continue to lie? I don’t believe they can stop because their life is a lie.
God Bless,
Kimberly
June 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
DONNA:
Forgot to say…though our stories differ, I think one reason we have connected so well is that we both understand what it is to be portrayed as a liar. The reality is…we are the truth-bearers. Thre are way too many in the theologian community that can’t see or handle the truth if it hit them square between the eyes.
Hugs,
Kimberly
June 27th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Everyone keeps asking “WHY?”
Why did the churches not check out his past before hiring him? Why did they not know what type of person he is/was? Why did they continue to bail him out?
To me, it’s simple. I’ll bet they probably DID know about (and believe at least some) of the allegations that came up about him. I’m sure they were aware of the financial dealings (or misdealings) he was involved in, yet still they handed over their churches, their congregations, and their pocketbooks to him. Why?
M O N E Y
Ousley was a draw wherever he preached. He brought in people who brought in $$$. He was a charismatic preacher who knew how to play the part (see actor comments above) and pull on the heartstrings (and pursestrings) of those he talked to. It’s ALL about money. The churches (not to mention his own wife) may have known full well about the stories about him and the questions about his character. But — unfortunately — the dollars he brought in to those churches far outweighed thier moral concerns and the cost of bailing him out when necesssary.
I hate to think of “God’s house” turning into a place of business, but the facts are there. It’s happening all over. I heard a story yesterday about churches giving away new cars, trips, etc., as prizes simply for attending and supporting their services. It’s a ploy to get new members and new dollars flowing through the church coffers. I am certainly not the biblical scholar that many of you seem to be, but I do recall from my catechism days the story of Jesus storming the temple to expel the Pharisees, tax collectors and merchants who had set up within. What would He think stepping into one of these “places of worship” now. Sadly, there is more worship of the Alimighty Dollar than the Almighty Lord.
June 28th, 2007 at 11:19 am
if RO gets away with this - i fear that my faith may be destroyed -
June 29th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Ticked Off -
Can you say a little bit more? For instance, is the faith at risk your faith in God, or organized religion, or Southern Baptists, or TCABH? There is a great danger when church authorities ignore and therefore condone clergy misconduct, and trust is often one of the victims.
Still praying for all who have suffered,
Philothea
June 30th, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Philothea: Am losing Faith in the church authorities who are supposed to oversee a safe place for people to heal NOT be victims, and of organized religion and faith in the hope that Ms. Jones and Karen’s, and others’, courage would bring justice to all involved - positive justice and healing for victims and serious consequences for RO and any who enabled him….
June 30th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
specifically TCABH and its leaders past and present….
July 1st, 2007 at 7:28 am
Philothea: Sorry that I answered your ? to someone else, but I had to give my opinion…..
July 1st, 2007 at 11:42 am
No problem. I was opening up discussion.
Philothea
July 1st, 2007 at 12:36 pm
It should be noted that Karen has come forth on the blog. Karen has not gone forward as of yet to any church authorities. I’m not sure that Rick and Joyce are even aware yet about her.
At one time Joyce was reading the blog, but hasn’t in awhile. From what I’ve been told, Joyce hasn’t read the blog since way before Karen came forth.
If Karen and others come forward, it will be harder and harder for the Ousley family to continue to portray Donna as a liar. I was told Joyce knows that I’ve posted. Not sure if she called me a liar as she did 10 years ago. Don’t really care….I know the truth.
There are still a number of people here in the Birmingham area and at TCABH that continue to surround the Ousleys enabling them. I truly believe these are people that for some reason, feel some sort of power being in the Ousley camp. Yes, it’s a lie from satan, and it’s a very evil and misguided power. However, they’ve made their choice. When the curtain falls, if they’re nearby…it will fall on them too.
I know for certain that there are ministers reading this blog. When we’ve done all we can do, there comes a point where it is out of our hands. It is truly in the hands of God. Just like anyone else…ministers have free will. They can choose to act on what they know is honorable, or they can choose not to act.(dishonorable) Thereby they themselves become part of the problem.
The problem being…”ABUSE OF CLERGY POWER WITHIN THE CHURCH”
Makes a good title, don’t you think?
God Bless,
Kimberly
July 1st, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Kimberly: AMEN and AMEN - - - You are right - the battle belongs to the Lord, I just hope and pray that those who are in authority will fully surrender their lives to God and be men of integrity NOW before they are found to be enablers and keepers of this horrific secret!
I am praying about calling a few of the former lay pastors at BHills and current staff members - about this entire situation. I covert your prayers for my being able to ‘hear the Lord’ and not my disgust!
As far as Karen goes, she is such a sweet and caring person, and it pains me to know that she was so taken advantage of. I wonder if JO knows about her several year affair with RO and about him treating her like a non-person when she told him she was pregnant and he told her that she was on her own??? Makes me sick at my stomach! AND, the reality that there may be many others who are still in pain and suffering because of RO and his evil deeds…..
July 1st, 2007 at 4:45 pm
oops — covet NOT covert….
July 1st, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Has anyone questioned Karen’s story? How do we know this is not a complete fabrication? It seems that posters on this blog have taken her story at face value - I know Karen and I know Rick and I seriously doubt her story. No offense, but she’s not his type AT ALL! I would come closer to believing that Karen and Gordon hooked up - even though they are step siblings.
In fact, one might even believe that someone might manufacture such a tale just to being attention to themselves. Can more proof or something substantial be offered here for all of us (and we are legion) Doubting Thomases?
July 1st, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Doubting Thomas:
I just had to laugh - Karen is not Rick’s type? I don’t know Karen but DO know Rick and his type is breathing and female! There are so many “Karens” out there, that no one has to manufacture. And, yes, I know what I am saying. Perhaps you don’t see this because you are a “Thomas”!
July 1st, 2007 at 10:12 pm
DOUBTING THOMAS:
The fact that you doubt Karen’s story doesn’t lessen the truth of her story. Unless you are a former laypastor, or minister that participated in the covering up of a multitude of allegations over the years….there is no need for you to see tangible evidence.
Since you know Rick’s type…as per your own statement…you must know that Rick’s “TYPE” covered a range.
Kimberly
July 1st, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Amen Bonnie!
20s, 30s, 40s from homemakers to…… ! I’m thinking that right about now there are some people out there squirming. And really….that’s not what it’s about. It’s about healing.
My gosh…it didn’t take a rocketscientist to know that Rick was quoted…”THAT WOMAN” because there have been others over the years.
Kimberly
July 1st, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Shocked:
I understand your dilemma. I will be praying for you.
God Bless,
Kimberly
July 1st, 2007 at 11:19 pm
The Rick Ousley’s, Richard Jackson’s, and the Vicki Vaugn(Patterson’s) are good at what they do. Rick Ousley spiritual raping of peoples minds goes back to North Phoenix Baptist Church here in Phoenix. RO is very good at turning the tables on his or their indiscreations. You see when Richard Jackson has people like RO around him he has complete control and RO cannot hold anything over his head. In phoenix they controlled everything…my god…marriages were ruined by that nut case Vicki Vaugn who was formerly known as Vicki Patterson who was Richard Jacksons personal sec. Here she was going thru divorce and she is giving marital counseling. And, now she is teaching Christian Studies at Howard Payne Univeristy with RIchard Jackson. aND THE BEAT GOES ON… Rick Oulsey gave an unrealistic portrait to young, impresonable kids in the early 1980’s. However, the building programs continued and the church in the pew were spiritual dying. Here is a great question for the RO, the Richard Jacksons…WHAT IS YOUR TURNOVER RATE AT YOUR CHURCHES??? And, When was the last time you followup with members who know longer attend your church???? I guess the bulding program comes first…In conclusion, they will make you look like your un-spiritual if you come forward to say anything off center…Richard Jacksons favorite line when someone would come forward to discuss something …richard would say, “do you tithe here at North Phoenix???” Then if you say no he would walk away…lol…but, its true…
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 am
Kimberly,
I agree so very much with you and your statement about Joyce. It’s hard for me and other’s to understand why she would stay with Rick when I know for a fact that she knows the truth and fact’s about me and Rick’s affair along with Rick’s criminal finical dealings (which I happen to think she is has been a part of this through out there marriage).
I so remember speaking with her and telling her all of the truth dated back to the early 80’s. I was the one crying saying “I’m sorry.” Joyce said “DON’T TELL ANYONE YOU WILL RUIN HIS MINISTRY AND RUIN MY LIFE AT THE SAME TIME.” I have an email from Joyce saying that this whole ordeal has made them more in love than ever. So true there whole life has and is one HUGE LIE!
As I have stated before. Now that I have removed myself from the stupid foolish relationship I had with Rick. I now see so much of his greed and lack of care for anyone but Rick Ousley and who and how was he going to con the next person….
I spoke out about something that I was NOT proud of and knew it was time to stop. I first ask God to forgive me and then I went to my family and ask them to forgive me. It felt so good to know that both God and my family forgave me and I was free from all the lies and secret’s. Once again let me please say that even though I know God has forgiven me and through my embracement of what I did and the moral mistake/sin. I told the whole truth from day one. I told it all from the beginning. Rick has NOT done that. Rick WILL not do that until he is faced with more truth’s.
God is not through with me yet…I know that he will use me to tell my story to youth all around. Rick Ousley is a predator. He does need to be stopped. I have only slowed him down. He has remained to get paid through his board of directors. Once again just as Brook Hills did more than once his board of directors paid off a huge credit card debit. He sold his home only to move into one larger and rent free. These people do not understand that they are not helping Rick they are covering up for a very dangerous man. I do think with all I know now that Rick is dangerous and is capable of anything. Nothing I hear now surprises me.
I have stopped pointing my fingers at staff and people within churches. I will remain to put my trust in God and his holy word. Starting with a new group of guys does NOT change who Rick Ousley is on the inside.
The church at Brook Hills still has many victims from Ousley going to that church. There are still staff working there that turned there head and allowed Rick to get away every single time someone came forward. The person coming forward got the lash back from the church and called the liar. I do not think for one minute that’s how any church should treat anyone.
As for Rick’s type? FEMALE, young 15 for Karen and I…of the games and kissing and then his very proud moment of taking both our virginity. Married woman whom he was supposed to be helping but raped instead….Super Models…He dated Miss Louisiana right before Joyce and when he dumped her for Joyce this young woman committed suicide.
As for the comment about is Karen Stakemiller telling the truth. YES, she is she did get pregnant with Rick’s child and she was told by Rick to do as she chooses but the baby would never know his Dad. Karen and Rick talked about what to do and he reminded her of how young she was and how was SHE going to support and raise this child. In my mind and heart I think he truly talked Karen into getting rid of the baby. He left the thought in her mind that if she did this she would still have Rick. They did continue to see each other and YES Joyce does know Karen also. Karen’s a wonderful person who fell for Rick’s countless lies and promises and now regret’s the effect he had on her life. She never married and never ever had children. I hope her leg is healing so she can begin as I have with the emotional healing. Karen did speak with Greg Garrison (I was on the phone also). She told Greg the whole truth, she told him he could use her full name and she sent him emails she had saved from when Rick was at Brook Hills and he would email her. I have seen those emails also.
I have a very rough emotional week a head of me and I beg that each one will please pray for me…I know if God brings you to it - he will bring you through it….I’m a firm believer in prayer but I’m human and still very scared.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
donnaljones8@yahoo.com
Wishing all a happy and safe 4th of July. God bless all our men and woman fighting for all our freedom. God bless America!
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:25 am
DONNA,
God Bless You as you journey toward your healing. You are being prayed for by so many.
There will always be those that doubt. Unless they see the emails, pics, or letters they will choose to encircle Rick. These are the same people (usually) that upon seeing the evidence, they make some sort of excuse for Rick and villify the female. They’re the enablers. They don’t quite seem to somehow comprehend the reckless, predatory behavior which fuels Rick.
The very few that do have their eyes opened, have to process their entire relationship with R&J questioning the validity of the relationship….(here are a few I’ve heard) Was it ever real? Was I sought out for a friendship just because of what I can do for them, or was it truly ordained? When did it change? At what point did I begin to be used?
Those are real questions that several are askingright now. Yes, it is in God’s hands for sure. It is a choice by many that are asking…..”What God, would you have me to do?”
Have a great Monday Donna!
Hugs,
Kimberly
July 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm
I personally wish I had the funds to print each blog out from the first one through now. Then I would take all of that to several of the elders and ask them to read the highlighted items. I would highlight the ones who referred to themselves by name, the dates given, the entries that named lay pastors and staff members who sat in on meetings with RO and folks who were having a problem with him. I tired to print just this blog the other day when there were only 70+ entries and it was already 19 pages long. So financially I just can’t afford to print all of them, especially since some of the early blogs were 300-600 entries long. Perhaps this will give someone the idea to do this for all of us who want to see RO held accountable for all the affairs, etc. while at TCBH’s. If anyone does this, I would suggest starting with AT Scott. I believe he would read and act upon what has happened since RO’s arrival at TCBH’s. Maybe one of Rick’s former big time financial supporters will take this suggestion and act upon it. There isn’t anything the church can do about situations before RO’s arrival at BH’s but they can read about all the deception that went on in previous churches. It is hard to believe he was called to BH’s just because of his preaching ability and no one questioned his background.
I for one am still at member at BH’s and praying for the day this will all be settled. I especially pray for Donna, Karen, Kimberly, Tim’s little sister, and The Facts. You all are being surrounded by many, many prayers from your Christian friends.
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Doubting Thomas: What an arrogant jerk you are — and since you know RO - you have learned alot from him.
I personally and seen the copy of a check AND the fed ex envelope RO sent to Karen to help her pay for the abortion, and she has phone records, airline receipts - he even flew her to bham to spend time with him while jo was out of town and while his sister was in labor - ALSO, he flew her to Mobile to spend a New Year’s with him, the list goes on, on on,
and as far as Karen not being RO’s type - RO’s type is anyone who would listen to his lies and anyone he knew would be an easy target!
If RO wants proof, he had better be sitting down, there is proof of phone conversations of him telling Karen that he would never acknowledge that he was in fact the father of her unborn child…you had better make certain you KNOW ALL THE FACTS and what evidence will be provided before you decide to whom you will yield your allegience….
July 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pm
Broken Heart from member at TCBH :
If you will agree to present all of the blog info - I will personally print all of it out and mail it to you - but only if you are going to use it to present to AT Scott, Royce Watkins, Phil Walton, Jim Houston, and Dr Platt Ron Gully, Randy Hall - of course some of these men already know the truth about RO and are disgusted by him and his behavior…
Now, what is most disturbing is that there are obviously some who are deaf, dumb and blind to the ungoldy behavior of RO and are willing to go down with his ship - which will happen……….
July 2nd, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Shocked 1,
Thank you for your generous offer to print all the blogs out. At this time I can not give out my name, address, etc. because of other issues I am involved with.
Perhaps Kimberly would be willing to have it sent to her. I believe she has an email where you can reach her. I trust Kimberly and I believe she would handle all the blogs properly in whom to share them with. I just can’t get that personally involved. Please understand I have reasons for protecting my name.
July 2nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I’ve been away for a while and have tried to forget about all of this crap! I have kept up with the blogs, but have stayed quiet for about a month. Today I saw Richard Jackson at the grocery store. He is normally very friendly and always makes a point to say ‘hello’. Today, he pretended to not see me. Quite frankly, I was glad, I really didn’t want to speak to him. I’m afraid their similarities run deeper than preaching style. Ousley may be silenced for now, but there are lots of others out there, I expect.
July 2nd, 2007 at 10:20 pm
HELLO EVERYONE:
Yes, I can be reached at chrstn_sister@yahoo.com Just getting home and catching up on the posts from today. I work 12 hour shifts and we are slammed at the hospital.
Anyone may email me. I have been thinking about the very same thing for awhile. Awhile back, I shared with someone very important in my healing process that it was time for me to make other moves..I’ve been praying for discernment.
A couple of weeks ago I shared with my own pastor about this blog. I felt it was important and in the right order that I let him know what was going on with me and where I’m currently in my healing. We first spoke about the entire situation back on Good Friday.
I have spoken via phone with several here on the blog and made some new friends. I’ve reconnected with several others too. This blog has been therapeutic for me.
My prayer tent (4 couples) continue to pray and offer scriptural wisdom. They have the freedom to speak truth into my life and I certainly listen. I know there are several bloggers that are anxious to “close the book” because some are tired. We are running the race though, and persevering.
BROKENHEART:
You are not alone in your description. Because of confidentiality requests, I am limited to what I say about current members of Brook Hills. Just know that you are not alone. I don’t think any of us that are using our real names cast any judgement upon those who don’t. After my fiasco in 1997 of attempting to expose…I personally (along with husband) made the choice to stay silent for so long.
Through the love of Christ I stand with Donna and Karen. My story is not their story, but there are many commonalities. Rick is a predator and Rick preys upon all types of females. A very Godly pastor that I respect immensely here in the Birmingham area has told me on more than one occasion…”Thank God Kimberly! Thank God that you were 30 and not 13 or 15 when Rick prowled in the darkness near you!”
God Bless,
Kimberly
July 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pm
DOUBTING THOMAS: The proof will come out. In case you haven’t heard, he’s not the Rick Ousley he professed to be. He’s not the man you think you know. No one knows Rick Ousley…not his wife, not his children…probably not even Rick Ousley himself. So, you’re definitely kidding yourself if you think you know him. In fact, the RO you “know” doesn’t even exist, and though it will be hard, you’ll have to mourn that fact. Remember, Thomas was enlightened in the end. I have a feeling you will be too.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:45 am
I was so broken hearted to hear about Donna’s sickness, but she is focusing on what she needs to focus on right now. God has a way of allowing things to affect our lives in a way to direct us in His direction and the most important thing for Donna right now is to physically heal. She has continually sought God’s will in this whole affair and attempted do the right thing as she exposed truths.
Let’s all remember her in our prayers and continue to search in God’s word and through prayer what God’s will is in everything that we do. Nothing has changed……………..
Nothing has changed!!!
July 3rd, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Casper,
Glad to see you have posted again and to especially read that NOTHING HAS CHANGED…. keep on keeping on till RO stands and admits his guilt in all this!!
Know you are in touch with Donna on a regular basis. Please give her our love and prayers. Hope and pray both she and Karen are feeling much better.
Thank you for your wonderful support during these past 3 months.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:32 am
BLOGGERS:
I have only read small parts of this blog a couple of times since the lies about me (some of them bit and pieces of truth twisted to paint an ugly picture)and the ugliness towards me was spewed so visciously. I have not gone back to this blog for a long time now and at this posting I have not gone back and read the previous posts and probably will not.
Recently, in a private email I was told that several of you believe that I am “Shocked”. Well, I am not. I do not know what has been posted, but assume that “Shocked” can read between lines, the BS, and must be speaking out as to what he/she is seeing. SHOCKED, will you please step forward and, in any way possible, make it clear to all that I am not posting as you? I would truly appreciate this.
For the rest of you, ask Kathy to let you know if these posts are being made from my IP address. She can clear this up right away.
At some point, I will step forward and tell you guys the truth about what was done to me on this blog and why. At this point, I just do not have the energy.
For those of you that are sending private emails telling others that I have gone “ballistic” and are implying that I am crazy, be clear———–I have never gone ballistic on any of you and I have re-read and saved all of my e-mails that show this. Yes, I did stand up and challenged your “truth”. It is funny how people react when somebody challenges them, even if it is not done in an ugly way (Go back and again, read what was written about me and what preceeded it.). My “Christian Sisters”, you really need to quit telling only part of the story about me, using little bits and pieces to try and paint the picture you want painted because I challenged your version of the truth. This will end up getting you in the end.
“Ballistic”————believe me, after what has been done to me and my family on this blog, I have just cause to go more than ballistic. I have not.
Guys, you need to just consider that I may not be mistaken about there being a fox in the hen house. Go back to the beginning of this blog and read closely any posts made by the major players.
Bloggers, please consider that many of you are possibly being manipulated.
Please pray for my family and, especially, my child. On this blog much damage has been done to our family———-all in God’s name.
I doubt I will be reading the blog. You all know how to contact me privately. Go through my cousin’s address, which is dunknowntruth@yahoo.com.
God bless you all and I urge you to seek truth. Do not be led —– just seek.
July 5th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
“Doubting Thomas” knows what he’s talking about. Rick didn’t ever impregnate Karen Stakemiller- what a laugh. Nothing against Karen, but if she really did get pregnant, she’s projecting her situation onto Rick. Gordon Maguire knows a lot of stuff- he was there- but he’s bitter, and wrong. Gordon, honey- God bless you for all you went through- I’m glad you’ve seen your way out of all this. None of you others know anything about NPBC- you weren’t there- but for those of us who grew up there with Gordon and Karen, and many others, and saw God do great things- you can say what you want, we won’t believe your lies. CAN DO