Time for Another New Rick Ousley Thread
Catch up here if you like.
A few pointers: First, keep it civil. Second, be careful. This is a public forum, and posting personal information is potentially dangerous. At the least, if you include your email address in a comment, spammers can grab it, and you can get some of the incredibly disgusting junk that shows up in my spam folder. Finally, my spam blocker sometimes grabs legitimate comments for no apparent reason. If your comment seems to disappear or you get a message that it’s gone to moderation, don’t worry. I check for “lost” comments several times a day and approve them ASAP.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
KATHY,
Thank you again and again for continuing to provide a place of connection, of support for all those whose lives have been touched by RO…good or bad. Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be much good being talked about.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
Curtis1:
I gave you incorrect information earlier today. The organization is http://www.StopBaptistPredators.org. Just realized it.
Broken Heart: I hope your heart is beginning to mend.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Thanks, Kathy.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:51 am
You’re welcome!
May 10th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
Hey does anyone know how Donna is doing???
May 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Curtis1:
I do not know of anybody that has heard from her, maybe Casper. She has not posted, but from the beginning she has not posted very much.
How are you doing since you have gone public with this?
May 10th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Well I know that Donna was having some tests run on Monday and Tuesday. And I have not heard from her.
As far as going public. Greg Garrison knows my real name. And he hasn’t written any follow up in the paper. My brothers and sister knew about this years ago. But now are coming to face the fact that I wasn’t really making this up. I told my step mom a couple weeks ago and she is still very involved at the church were it happened. My sister is telling some people she knows from the church. I told her I don’t care if they believe me or not. It really happened to me and why in Gods name so many years later would I make something like this up. I have enough drama in my normal life I really don’t need to add any at this time. It hurts really bad still.
But see I am moving my home tomorrow so some how I have been very busy and not really dwelling on it that much.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
I guess I really have not come out all the way.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Curtis1: Sorry I guess I meant since you have talked with Garrison.
There will always be those that refuse to believe. I go through the same thing in my daughter’s situation. It hurts me too. I lost a lot of relationships along the way, including my own mother. I have decided that it is okay. Maybe they were not people I needed in my life anyway. I have made some new friends, people that have helped me all of these years. Also, I have “met” some new friends from this blog. Alabama Momma has a special place in my heart. When all of this is over, I hope to one day thank her in person. My point is, YOU know that it is true. God knows it is true. We know it is true. The others—–oh well.
I have been in touch with somebody in your area that has helped me. This person’s mother is still in that church.
Regarding Garrison not doing a follow-up, I would imagine that he has a lot coming at him in this situation, from a lot of people. If I were going to do another story, I would be trying to figure out how to put all of the pieces of this together so that the article would be correct. I have worked with the media before. One thing I learned is that they have to work in their time frame, not mine. There are editors, etc. that have to be answered to.
Hope your move goes well.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
Donna is getting better. I have been out of pocket for a couple of days myself, but that doesn’t mean that nothing is going on……cause it is.
Thanks to those that have come forth, GG needs more even if you want to stay anonymous.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
THE FACTS, TIM and OTHER VICTIMS:
Please take this opportunity to come forward to Garrison (since Casper indicates Garrison is looking further). If all of the truth comes out, none of us will have anything else to fear from RO and his cronies.
United we can stop the victimization. Remember———that is how RO so successfully victimized so many people. He had people united with him that protected him.
MY CHILD IS STILL OUT THERE. If this part of it all does not break and all of the truth be revealed, I may never see my child again. Please, please, please. You could make a big difference for my child, my family.
A friend of mine created an e-mail address that is not connected to anybody in AL. If you do not want to give your name, you can still go there and tell your story so that anybody investigating can dig deeper.
The address is: dunknowntruth@yahoo.com If you write to this address, just create a yahoo address for yourself that does not reveal who you are.
For the others it is about justice. For my family and my child it is above justice, freedom and restoration of our family. Please help me.
I state nothing in this blog as fact, only my opinion.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:19 am
Kathy,
It’s weird how you closed the prior thread at 253 posts, but there is a new one at 254 now. Evidently the person didn’t see your post #253, nor your instructions from Monday.
Thanks,
Kimberly
May 11th, 2007 at 10:40 am
Still, after all I have been through, I am amazed at the incredible lack of depth and perception some have. I am not sure why Stephen feels qualified to make the judgement that we do not have lives.
I run a 50 head of registered cattle and a registered Quarter Horse business. I have seven dogs, three cats and 15 chickens. I investigate my daughter’s situation, which is almost a full-time job. I work with other families of coercion victims. I have taught myself to play piano. I am in the process of writing a comfort food, low cal cookbook. I garden and propogate plants in my greenhouse. I lift weights and jog. I work with young people that are trying to gain access to a college education. I make soaps, perfumes, talcs and other bath products. I target shoot. I knit. I meditate. I ride. I cook. Overall, I do my best to serve God through the incredible talents that He has given me.
————-and I blog. In spite of our family’s tragedy, I am committed to living the wonderful live that God has given me.
I am quite sure that most of you are involved in as much or more than I am involved in.
I wonder how Stephen thinks he knows us or how we live our lives. I love him and pray that he is soon given the wisdom of The Holy Spirit. I pray that Stephen is committed to living a full and wonderful life in order to fulfill becoming the person God borne him to be. I pray that God blesses him every day of his life.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:54 am
It’s probably best to ignore Stephen. He left the same comment in two different threads and included his email address, which tells me he’s looking for attention. Don’t give it to him.
May 11th, 2007 at 11:59 am
Kathy,
Thanks for the info. I suspected that he may be somebody else, that I know, that is involved.
May 11th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Any news of “any news” that may be forthcoming?
May 12th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I was wondering if anyone has heard from Donna Jones by phone or email? I knew that last week she was not feeling well but I have been unsuccessful in reaching her by phone or email?
At the same time I have noticed that some of the regular’s that were posting on this blog have not been posting either? Just in fear that the Q-Camp is riding out the storm so that they can start up again (that is the talk from several family members). My biggest concern is Donna not returning calls or emails. From day one she has always returned calls and or emails. If anyone has any news on her please do post it. My family have had her in our daily thoughts and prayers.
Thank you,
May 12th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
http://hushmoney.org/corporation-sole_myths.htm check out this url along with the folling statment taken from http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=121566,00.html
Used as intended, Corporation Sole statutes enable religious leaders — typically bishops or parsons — to be incorporated for the purpose of insuring the continuation of ownership of property dedicated to the benefit of a legitimate religious organization. Generally, creditors of a Corporation Sole may not look to the assets of the individual holding the office nor may the creditors of the individual look to the assets held by the Corporation Sole. Currently, 16 states permit Corporation Sole incorporations. The IRS suggests that individuals considering becoming involved in any kind of tax avoidance arrangement obtain expert advice from a competent tax advisor not involved in selling the arrangement. Do not rely on legal opinions obtained or provided by the arrangement’s promoter. Start by asking the following questions:
Is the arrangement designed to hide income or assets?
Is the arrangement designed to evade income taxes?
Answering “yes,” or even “maybe,” to either of these questions should raise red flags for taxpayers.
Additional information on Corporate Sole and the rest of the “Dirty Dozen” tax scams and schemes is available on IRS.gov.
Tax guidelines for churches and religious institutions can be found in Publication 1828, “Tax Guide for Churches and Religious Organizations”.
Taxpayers with specific questions on a tax scheme or who wish to report a possible scheme can call (866) 775-7474 or send an e-mail to irs.tax.shelter.hotline@irs.gov.
ousley learned how to abuse these matters by the master of masonic and non-masonic christian abuse,,, both mental and physical,,, from the great rev. richard jackson. look at every way to abuse guidelines and i can assure you both these self capitulating fraud artist have journeyed through these fields enough to each have a trodden path. these men don’t just go after women other than their wives,,, they took the time at north phoenix baptist church to have homosexuals at their call. these are some sick masonic leaders who have pockets full of people you’ll never know about because of the blood othes they have made. who will step up to correct a part of a group that made america so strong with these same methods. these men have used rites in the most evil way they can plot.
May 12th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Wondering:
I think that Donna has to, sometimes, just check out for a while. She has a lot on her plate emotionally and physically. She gets so many calls and e-mails that it becomes overwhelming. She rests and then we hear from her a gain.
As far as RO and company lying low and waiting it out, gooooood. There are times when it is very quiet before the storm. If they are so confident and arrogant, they are probably making huge mistakes that will bring them down.
More Than You Know:
A friend of mine recently told me aboiut the Corporate Sole Laws. Not all states have these laws but AL and AZ do. It can become a tool to move money around, in and out of Corporate Sole states.
I do not want to go too deeply into how this may have been put into action in AL and AZ. That is for law enforcement and other investigators.
More Than You Know, I am busy and having trouble researching. I am a little confused. Does the law protect others, besides the ministers that are involved in moving money around? Example: If a church worker or Sunday school teacher is part of it, are they protected under this law?
I state nothing on this blog as fact, only my opinion.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
Where is everbody?
May 13th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
Hey, Broken Heart, we are still out here. There is not a lot going on right now, so I guess we are all busy catching up our chores, etc.
I did hear from Donna today. She gave me a message to post. I will try to copy and paste it to the site. You know me, technologically challenged.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
FROM DONNA:
I’m Wishing all Mother’s and Grand Mother’s a very
Happy Mother’s day. I’m really behind with emails
because I have not been on the net this week.
I have been having problems with my digestive disease
again. Terri took me to a Doctor’s Apt. Monday the 7th
and within less than an hour of being there we were
sent to the emergency room. My body was in full
distress with blood pressure, pulse etc. After a full
week of every test from top to bottom I was a released
late yesterday afternoon.
The only thing they showed was thyroid was off, blood
sugar goes up and down as does my blood pressure and
my colon is large and thick at the top so I go back
next week to see about maybe having some of my colon
removed. My Stomach cannot stretch any larger as they
measured it several times a day and it stayed at 44-45
inches round and hard as a rock. To say the least I
hurtttttttt. Makes it hard to breath or do anything
for that fact.
In the midst of this Pawze (my Dad) has a full knee
replacement Monday and will be in the hospital and
then rehab for a week or two. Pray for both of us and
I will try to get caught up on my emails. I’m still in
a lot of pain and told the Doctor yesterday as he was
leaving my room that I am worse off than when I came
in the hospital Monday. He shook his head agreeing
with me. I know the pain hurts and I’m sick and tired
of being sick and tired.
MOTHER (to my mom Rosalie and Michael’s Mom Linda)
If I could give you diamonds
for each tear you cried for me.
if I could give you sapphires
for each truth you’ve helped me see.
If I could give you rubies
for the heartache that you’ve known
If I could give you pearls
for the wisdom that you’ve shown.
Then you’ll have a treasure, mother,
that would mount up to the skies
That would almost match
the sparkle in your kind and loving eyes.
But I have no pearls, no diamonds,
As I’m sure you’re well aware
So I’ll give you gifts more precious
My devotion, love and care.
Love Donna & Michael
May 13th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Ta Dah! LOL
May 13th, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Alabama Momma, Sam:
Are you guys still our there?
May 14th, 2007 at 7:11 am
Just very busy out west with Mother’s Day and such. I hope all you guys and gals on the front line are doing well.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
MORE THAN YOU KNOW:
you had better have proof of the exploits you are accusing ro and richard jackson of….
May 15th, 2007 at 7:33 am
to MORE THAN YOU KNOW: That’s the whole point, is it not? I, for one, have never wanted to believe any of this, however, the evidence continues to mount. Anyone who thinks this type of stuff doesn’t really take place, is an idiot. The question is - Has Ousley been carrying on this charade for 25+ years and fooled most of us, or has he not? More and more, I’m looking like the idiot.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:58 am
I meant to direct that last comment to carson. Sorry, mtyk!
May 15th, 2007 at 9:21 am
TSE:
To you and others that are beating themselves up over trusting and caring about RO, you are not an idiot. You guys are good people that simply want to see the best in others. I think sometimes God allows us on these journeys because he knows that we will step-up when he tries to use us for goog in these situations. God borne us innocent and believing. It is the world that makes us the opposite. Please do not let this impact who God borne you to be. That would be giving evil power.
Regarding Carson, I see what you mean, TSE. A very wise gentleman told me, “If I could prove it, it wouldn’t be happening.”
May 15th, 2007 at 11:45 am
has anyone mentioned the estate sale going on Sat (5/19) at their home? Joyce will be there but RO will not from what I understand….everything is for sale and anyone can look at the house as well. thought it was really interesting. Maybe GG can do an article about it
May 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
A FRIEND: whose ‘friend’ are you? you are obviously close to the RO family - to know about the sale…..
May 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
more than you know:
WOW! It seems you have a whole lot of knowledge. Did you leave in phoenix when RO & Jackson were there?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
I am still shocked at what has happened. I am a former NPBC youth group member and was there and attended camps with RO. I truly believe and feel horrible for what has happened, but am shocked because I was one that have always felt the impact he made on our lives. It sounds like according to “a friend” that they are selling their house. Is Joyce still with him. My heart goes out to all of you.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Curtis1: Hope your move went well. How are you doing?
Renee: It is my understanding the Joyce is still with RO.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
renee:
do you still live in phoenix?
May 15th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
ptsd mom:
Everything went great with the move. I feel I can spend more time on myself now. Start the healing process. Thank you for your prayers.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
renee: joyce is still with rick, she has not dismissed nor excused his behavior, however, she is standing by him through this. She is a Godly woman and has been unjustly attacked on this blog, she did not know of the things that have been reported here, and she in NO WAY thinks what RO has done is ok or acceptable. Joyce is a praying woman and she is constantly seeking wisdom and peace from the Lord regarding this mess. She is trying to be what God wants her to be, not what RO or anyone on this blog thinks she should be or do. She wants to obey God, not men or women….
i, too, do not excuse what RO has done, but I will forever be grateful to he and the Lord for the positive impact he had on 1,000’s including me….and, I was once at NPBC - not there now…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Curtis1: Glad all went well. Moving is so stressfull. Be sure and take the time to nurture yourself. A hot bath, prayer and meditation do me well.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Carson:
Are you Amy?
Bloggers:
I do hope that Joyce Ousely is praying. I want her to pray for the restoration of my family. I want her to pray for my child. I want her to pray about how it felt for my family to have our child taken away and we were never allowed to see her again. I want her to pray and ask RO why he participated in such a thing. I want her to pray for the lives that were being destroyed while she turned her head and turned her back on people that were being victimized. She knows the times this happened.
I feel sad for Joyce. Her life has changed in a big way. I know how she feels. Mine did nine years ago. God bless her and help her to face her truth, not just the truth about RO.
As far as Carson goes, does she remember how she tore into Kimberly (was it two weeks ago?) and criticized me for saying that we were each a link in God’s chain? What is the deal? The door does not swing both ways? A degree in Theology does not make one an expert on spirituality.
She came out swinging and now wants others to step back. I truly hope that God blesses Carson and that she one day understands that we ARE each a link in God’s chain, that we are not just automatons that can read and quote scripture. God bless her and give her wisdom and well as knowledge.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Bloggers:
…and another thing about Carson’s post, I, AGAIN, know how Joyce feels. When my life fell apart, people said very ugly things about me that were not true. These were people I had never met in my entire life. I am a good person. I am a good mother. I am a good wife. I am a prayerful woman. Yet, they purposely tried to destroy me in order to break my child’s bond with me.
I so wish Casper had been there to defend me. When she posted to me, she was pretty ugly to a mother who has lost her child and had her family destroyed by strangers. Is it okay when it happens to Joyce, but not okay when it happens to me?
I suspect that Joyce knew very well what was happening to my family. Again, what’s the deal? The door does not swing both ways?
If she is truly a prayerful woman, I urge her to pray about how she might participatate in the restoration of my family.
It is my prayer that Joyce take off the mask and look into the mirror at herself, at the things she has participated in. I pray that she makes things right and gets the forgiveness that God wants for her. Right, now, in my point of view, she is behaving just like RO when it comes to not owning up her behavior.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:26 am
ptsd: have you confronted joyce ousley about your situation? areyou certain she is aware of the hurt in your family?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:21 am
I have to make this short as I’m heading out for an appointment. First would like to thank all of those that have sent emails, made calls concerning your prayers for me during this time.
Could not help but comment on JOYCE. Let me first begin to say Joyce has been in my prayers just as much as Rick has but I will not sit here and try to feel sorry for her. Joyce knew very well what was going on while it was going on and she FOR SURE knew what was going on afterwards when I played Rick’s own word’s back to her (this was when she wanted proof and I gave it to her). It did NOT stop them from having the fund raiser on March 9th, 2007. This did not stop her from calling me and asking me NOT to take this Public it would RUIN her Life too. Joyce knew about other’s besides me also. She knew about Curtis 1. Joyce choose to stay with Rick through all this while he was doing it and now she chooses to do it because is there anything else she can do?. She was molded like clay from a woman who knew nothing of church and bam six months of knowing Rick Ousley she was a preachers wife and 20 plus years she has played the part. Through the years Joyce was called by my Mother telling her this was going on.. Rick being the good actor he had become poured on the tears and Joyce forgot and moved on. I’m sorry to say I don’t feel sorry for Joyce. If she would have stopped this long ago she could have caused people like Kimberly, Curtis 1, and other’s from being victims more than once. After I played some of the tapes for Joyce with Rick’s own voice explaining that he had made up the story and this was what he had told Joyce to get away to be with me. She heard this and still supports him? Sorry there has to be a time to draw the line. I ask her Joyce how can you do this? Once again her replay was if you ruin his life your going to ruin mine. I knew then it was not about anything but money or greed. This all blew up March 5, 2007, yet they went forwarded four days later to a benefit where people gave thousands, where people got up and spoke such wonderful things about a man they find ARE NOT TRUE, WAS NOT TRUE. Rick preached just days later in Moulton and (FYI- Still hs dates set up to preach)
More is about to come out, more that will show that Joyce knew of things within her own family that were not right. I’m not sure why she feels the need to stay with Rick but I will pray for her as the storm is about to take turn and the waves are getting bigger. Oh Rick also knew Joyce knew I have him on tape telling me if she calls just agree with her don’t get her started or as he called it rock the boat. He said just let her talk. He was a yes man because of all she did know and does know.
God Bless you and yours,
Donna Jones
PTSD Mom- I don’t think this is either of the three girls and Carson speaks to well for it to be Rick I think it is Aaron which is one of the Son-in-laws he too is either learning ministery or already is a minister but Rick was very close to both son-in-laws. (not so close that he did not sneak and call me from there house as I have proof of those calls also).
May 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Carson… you asked about about whose friend I was… thought I was friends with RO and Joyce a long time ago…so don’t even begin to question my loyalty without knowing me…The question about the estate sale is not private… it is very public and has been advertised. I just wondered about everyone’s opinion.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
I wouldn’t think these are the soninlaws.. one is a lawyer, who is a great “Guy”…know him personally. He is taking great care of April and the kids. The other, Aaron is also great…his heart is right and he is taking care of Amy and the children. I think they have stayed away from this site
May 16th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
A Friend: I just think it is scary that so many have been horribly wronged by RO and obviously over such a long period of time, and no one has come forward before now. I can not say for absolute certainty how I would have handled a similar situation had me or someone i know or love been subjected to this abuse, but I do know my personality and I would not have let this go on for so long..these are SERIOUS allegations…punishable by u s law….if there is proof, then let’s march and get on with this….then the healing for those hurt can begin..
and, by the way, this is NOT Aaron nor anyone in the RO family…
May 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
FYI - the money that was given to QM121 ministries has not been spent! those who requested their money back have gotten it or will get it soon, and those who have not requested it can do so. RO does not have access to this money…
May 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
A Friend: the advertisement was not even put into the paper until yesterday..??
May 16th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
and you knew days ago???
May 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Carson: I agree with you a hundred million percent that there are so many out there that have been hurt by this man.
It kills me to know that I looked up to him, he performed my wedding, was in countless committees with him, at many social events with him and joyce. Evenmy children thought he was great.
The only way to get past with it is to deal with it, confront it and go on. I don’t think this is Aaron or anyone else, that’s why I said what I did
May 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Yes… I actually have friends that are working with them to help out. They let me know
May 16th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Curtis1: - Yes, I still live in Phoenix, but have’t been to NPBC in years.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
>>>>but I do know my personality and I would not have let this go on for so long..these are SERIOUS allegations…punishable by u s law….
May 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
CARSON:
I just posted to you but it’s not showing anywhere, nor am I getting a “moderation” notation. Not really sure where it went. I’m going to wait awhile and see if it appears because I don’t really feel like posting it all again.
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
My family has rode this storm for a very long time. Donna could not have used a better word than “storm,” absolutely without one doubt DID and DOES Joyce Ousley KNEW and KNOWS what Rick Ousley WAS/IS doing.
To many times at our church were there woman that came forward telling different versions but all saying they felt violated by Rick Ousley. I know for a fact that one lady went to Joyce before she went to the staff at the church. She knew it would be hard telling Joyce what Rick had done and said but thought they could address it being two woman and Joyce being the wife of Pastor Rick. My friend found out very quickly she made a very wrong choice as Joyce called her a liar and stormed out of the office. My friend was not the first or the last this happened too. This whole thing has been 15 or more years in the making. I’m sorry for all of those that have been hurt by the Ousley family. Donna I know you have portrayed yourself as being brave and strong but no one has stopped to think about how painful this must be for you because of how long you loved Rick all the time thinking he was someone whom you looked up to and loved. My family have had you in our prayers and will continue too. I’m so glad other’s are now coming forward. Please don’t think for one minute that you are alone. Many through the years have come forwarded that were just hushed by asking to leave the church.
We have a pretty good idea there was one huge thing that happened within the Ousley family/children. If we are right and people that we have talked to are right then the best thing happened for one won’t have to grow up in the flock of sins that Rick and others infected into that family. The innocence that was brought into this world will forever walk within. I have not seen Joyce in a while but my husband and I ran into Rick the other day and I begged my husband to turn and go the other way but he refused wanting to see how Rick would react. He hugged us both with that good old boy attitude, ask how the family was and ask my husband to contact him to go hit some balls (golf). I was shaking so bad I went outside really thinking I was going to get sick. I then realized I had just looked in the eyes of the sickest man that walks this earth that I had ever come in contact with. Sorry if this sounds rude but I needed to get this out of my heart and mind. Joyce and the whole Ousley family needs our prayers but does that excuse them from seeing the truth? Why or how could Joyce turn the other way 7 years ago? This was right in her face and within her own family/daughter. I pray for all of you not to get discouraged and to keep up this fight. Rick is telling other’s this will all go away. He portrayed behavior as if he was the happiest man in the world and that nothing has happened to him. Like nothing has even happened, as he was walking off from us another couple saw him and he stopped giving them a big hug. Later that evening that couple called us and our conversations where more of panic. He asked both husbands for golf games and told both of us wife’s to contact Joyce for lunch or dinner. The man confused me before but I’m not quite sure to what think of him right now. I know I truly looked into the eyes of a man infected by the devil.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
DONNA:
Not the Amy you are thinking of. Somebody outside of the family. She is from AZ, moved to AL and, in my opinion, is another victim; even though she does not realize it yet. In my opinion she is just like the rest, she does not understand how she is being manipulated. She will, hopefully, get it later when she is smacked in the face with truth because she doesn’t tow the party line.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
BROOK HILLS MEMBER:
You may or may not know who I am. I believe your story. What makes it more sad is that in 1996-1997, less than one year after the Chuck Meyers fiasco, Rick was back to his old tricks. Rather, I guess I shouldn’t use the term “tricks” but deception. That deception continues to this very day because what is manifested inside Rick.
In my post that is floating in cyberspace right now, I tried to reiterate to Carson/Amy that her personality is that…her own. She’s very naive in thinking she could’ve stopped Rick when so many of us tried over the years.
FWIW: I really don’t see Rick changing on this side of heaven. I think all the emotions you experienced should be taken notice of as warnings from the Holy Spirit. It is as TSE said last week…don’t confront Rick alone. Goodness knows, look at how many did and the path of destruction that was encountered.
God Bless You,
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
What paper are you speaking of? I guess I have over looked it as I have not found any mention of it? Could you please tell what paper you saw it in?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
CARSON:
I took an educated guess at who you are since on Saturday, May 5, you claimed to know me from back when. Yesterday you also posted that you were in Rick’s youth at NPBC. There is only one person who you could be if what you post is true.
Be very careful that you don’t get hurt in your staunch defense of Rick and Joyce. You have absolutely NO IDEA of what I went through (or husband) back in 1997.
Truthfully and Respectfully,
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Brookhills Member: are you referring to the story that was put on here several weeks ago stating that Joyce’s daughter’s baby (which she gave up for adoption) is actually RO’s child? Kimberly should know if this is true- she was very close to that situation. I would like to know how I can find out if this is true…I am beginning to feel very trapped in this situation, …i have talked to my husband about this - he is an attorney, and he just tells me to leave it alone - not to get involved, but the more i learn, the madder it get….
May 16th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Brookhills Member:also, when i read about you and your husband running into RO and his flipant reaction and that same reaction to the other couple, it made me sick at my stomach,,, is RO that numb and unfeeling???
May 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Kimberly: i do not live in your area, i know you by hearing about your friendship with dawn during her pregnancy - and once, when i visited brookhills, while i was visiting the O’s, i met you…do you remember me?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!! CARSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Be careful of what you’re accusing me of knowing!! I only knew at the time what the “inner circle” was told. Do you think for one minute I WOULD’VE BEEN TOLD anything else after I tried to confront Rick about other stuff back in April of 1997? My gosh, I KNEW OF KNOW SUCH THING!!!
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
kimberly: my staunch defense is not of ro but of joyce - and until now, i really did not believe that she has always known about these situations…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Edit “KNOW” to be “NO”.
And no Carson…I do not know you unless I met you at the beach in late summer 1996? I went to the beach with Rick and Joyce (along with husband) and met a bunch from NPBC then. Other than that, I have no memory of meeting you. You would have to be more specific. I had you figured for another woman.
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
kimberly: if i am mistaken please forgive me. i was introduced to a woman at bhills that was a rn who was supposedly helping dawn during her pregnancy and delivery - i must be thinking of someone else i met - sorry….i need to be more careful and accurate….
May 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
I have another post floating to you Carson. Edit “know” to be “no.” Well, you chose not to believe it because when you came flying in here on 5May07, several had already posted about Joyce knowing all along.
And FWIW: I do not remember you. You would have to be more specific.
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
all: i am actually sick to my stomach and have a headache - i am not complaining, as my feelings are nothing compared to most of you on here…these revelations are almost overwhelming………..
May 16th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
I have no idea what is going on, but I have 3 posts out in cyberspace now.
Carson: There were 2 of us. (2RNs) One worked in L&D where Dawn delivered. Because of all the junk that happened in that time, she and her husband left Brook Hills in late 1998. This RN was the L&D nurse that night.
You might’ve met her.
At the time I was not working in a hospital but was stay-at-home. If the RN you met was stay-at-home with 3 small children, it was me.
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
AS FAR AS CARSON IS CONCERNED, in my opinion she is a very decent person who will not deserve what she will ultimately get in her relationship with the Ousely’s. I do not feel that they deserve such a wonderfully loyal friend.
If she believes that confronting any of these people will make a difference, she truly does not understand how they operate, she just does not get it.
It appears that Carson does not yet understand how cons work. She does not see that they mistake kindness and goodness for weakness and, ultimately, use it against a person. She has no understanding of how they will take one little grain of truth and manipulate it until they have turned it into a grand deception so that those that they are conning will not quite know fact from fiction—————-until it is far too late. She does not understand how they use people, all the while laughing behind their backs.
I hurt for Carson because she believes the novel they have been writing all these years. She believes the chapter that talks about how honestly they are handling the money when in reality they both conned a whole bunch of people at that fundrasiers; not to mention the other deceptions and fraud all of these years. She has not yet read the chapter on exactly how they work at covering for each other, keeping stories straight. Sadly, she has not read the chapter on how these types make one feel so important, just like family; all the while they are being used. She has not yet read the epilogue about the results of the truth being revealed and how those that were on the wrong side of the fence ultimately paid the consequences. Wait, is it a novel or non-fiction? It doesn’t matter. Carson, obviously is not reading it.
It is sad to me that Carson seems to think that she has the inside track, the understanding that the rest of us do not have. She, unlike others, has not yet realized just how they are letting her step up and do some of the dirty work for them at her expense.
She does not understand how ugly things will get when she begins seeing the real truth and is no longer willing to dance the dance. She should ask “Just the Facts” and his wife how bad this victimization can become.
In my point of view, Carson appears to put herself on this pedestal because she cannot separate her Phd from being smart in life. I think that she believes herself to be theologically superior to the rest of us and, therefore, she has this deep understanding of the situation. Education is such an awesome and powerful thing. I truly hope that Carson will come to understand the difference of being educated versus educated and foolish. I feel bad for her but, regardless, she has no right, whatsoever, to judge any of us. She simply does not have the information that she thinks she does.
In my point of view Carson is a naive (”showing a lack of experience or informed judgement”) kid. Of course the “kid” part is coming from a 62 year old woman who has experienced alot of life.
I am not trying to hurt Carson. Anybody that feels that I am, please understand that I am simply urging her to see what is outside of the bubble——–not for us, but for her own good.
I pray that God will hold Carson tighly in His embrace when she is the one being roughed up. I pray she will have the courage to let some of us help her when it happens.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
CARSON: I just read your comments after I posted. IF you are being honest about your feelings, you have not really come off that way.
IF you are being honest about your feelings, it is understandable that you are confused.
Please try to understand that you simply do not know enough to chastise those of us that have been through this hell.
As far as your husband’s advice, it appears that it is too late for you let let it alone. It appears that you have involved yourself, or the Ousley’s have pushed you into it.
God bless. I TRULY pray that you figure this out. Deception and evil are the enemy———not you. It would be in your best interest to not become part of it. We should all be so lucky as to have a friend as loyal as you are.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
BROOKHILLS MEMBER:
I can read the hurt in your post. That hurt is a common thread on what is becoming a tapestry on this blog.
I believe there is a big difference between “sick” and “evil”. I do not care how many good sermons people think he preached. The actions of these people appear to be very evil.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Renee:
Have you read most of the info on this blog?
May 16th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Curtis1: Yes I tried. I am still overwhelmed and shocked, but truly believe everyone’s story.
May 16th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
To all of you out there that are hurting this should be a huge wake up call for all. There were too many times of woman coming forward and money issues within Brook Hills for some of them not to be true. I believed this then and I believe this now.
I have to ask my self what the staff that are still there think about putting all there faith in a man who told them all this were lies. I don’t think they were lies then and I sure don’t believe they were lies now. I just wonder how many would step forward now and admit they made a mistake? Too many put there faith in Rick Ousley (which is what he and his ego wanted us to do) and did not put there faith in the church.
Yes, it has been discussed around several couples that were close net with Rick and Joyce how Rick acted towards Dawn upon becoming pregnant. I for one caught him totally of guard during a golf tournament and point blank looked him square in the eye and said “so when are you going to tell the church you are the Father and Grandfather of Dawn’s baby”? I will never forget the look on his face but better than that- actions speak louder than words. Rick put his golf club up and put it back in his bag a drove to the next hole skipping the hole we were to just play. He never ever mentioned another word to me that day or to this day forward. To me then and now that was all the justification I needed then and now. As somebody else posted already that child was spared from this evil .
I did see Rick last week myself at yet another golf tournament and he was just as loud and arrogant as he always was. He went to shake my hand and I dropped a golf ball and bent down to pick it up instead.
I cannot and will not shake the hand of a man that has manipulated and lied to so many. We have two young couples that grew up with our children that are considering having there marriage vows renewed because Rick Ousley married them.
Sympathy for Joyce? Oh Please don’t let my wife read that and get started. Joyce knew and spoke of Rick and his flings but that she would reap what she could while she could. My wife was floored. Ms, Jones from the beginning spoke of her conversations with Joyce and that Joyce begged her to keep quite. When my wife went back to talk to Joyce over what Joyce had told her she also told my wife to just forget what she heard.
I’m sorry if what I’m about to say offends anyone but please read before you harshly judge me or my thoughts. If Joyce was a godly woman who believes in prayer and all that has been said then why would she still be supporting a very sick, manipulative man? Christian people try to help non Christian people but staying married to Rick Ousley shows me that she is just as manipulative and twisted as he is. People in this community would have stood behind her and supported her if when this all came out she stood up and said I have had enough of being made to look like a fool and walked away from Rick. She stayed and from what I hear and see is calling most of the shots from QM121. How could a wife stay married to a man that slept with her own daughter? Ms Jones speaks of her Mother calling Joyce. Ms Jones let Joyce hear recordings of Rick and we are to feel sorry for Joyce? I think not. Kimberly, my family knows you and you were put in a terrible situation when you had no clue at first what the truth was. Later jealously got to Joyce because you developed a relationship she had never had with her own daughter. Kimberly you (your husband) are doing the right thing now by speaking out. Yes, lot’s of time has gone by but the sin is still there and it’s time for this to all come out. I myself made a call to Greg Garrison today It’s time I tell all I know to be fact. I urge you all to. Carson you are not alone, so many of us were taken in a fooled by the Ousley’s. Yes, I see signs now that I wished I would have seen then to protect my family but if it took this long for God to bring this out that’s how it works. God took one woman from Texas to speak out and just look at how many more have now come forward.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
PAST BH MEMBER:
Thank you so much for that post. For so many years I have had people condescend to me in favor of people that I knew to be evil. It is awful to know that somebody is conning others and not be able to get anybody to understand. I prayed nine years for the truth to be revealed.
In my opinion, you guys (and Carson) were mistaken about RO because he and his wife knew exactly how to use all that is good in you, the good in all of the BH members and others along the way.
Again, thank you for your post.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
PAST BH MEMBER:
Some may in fact, find this hard to believe. Nevertheless, I didn’t know there was any paternity issue regarding Rick ten years ago. What I tried to confront Rick over were issues with myself. I didn’t confront about any issues regarding paternity, because I only knew what was told to me. Does that make sense?
Thanks,
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
FORGOT TO ADD:
There isn’t any sin that I am knowingly participating in either. What I’ve needed to say to anyone in postition of authority, has already been said by me with my husband present.
It is not in my hands or anyone else’s hands…it is in God’s hands and as more people come forward, God will weave the story together as it is needed.
Thanks,
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
PAST BH MEMBER:
It would be kind of hard for Rick to admit anything regarding paternity when Rick, nor anyone else in leadership, ever acknowledged the pregnancy. You are aware that there are still people in that congregation that never even knew of a pregnancy?
Has David Platt been made aware of any of this? Does anyone know? I’m asking because of certain lay pastor involvement from 2 different facets of the circumstances. 2 different lay pastors I might add. And remember…this was 1997 before the lay pastors grew to be a good ol’ boy fraternity.
Thanks,
Kimberly
May 16th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
**TIMELINE**
Pre 5March07- Numerous scandals involving money and women in Rick Ousley’s life.
5March07- Call placed to Donna Jones per Rick Ousley begging Donna to quit emailing and begging Donna to not go forward. Donna responds paraphrasing “Sorry, no dice!”
9March07-”THE INFAMOUS FUNDRAISER” A possibility according to emails to Joyce that “a woman” may in fact make an appearance at fundraiser. The woman in question remains in question because we all know it wasn’t Donna. Rick and Joyce proceed with fundraiser knowing they’re on borrowed time.
11-14March 07- Rick continues to preach at scheduled events knowing he’s on borrowed time. The evidence: http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/070324/affair.shtml
23March07-Story breaks in Birmingham News on front page. Rick’s ministry board was made aware days previous of affair and ministry is already shut down. Shut down was in response to Greg Garrison’s follow-up of rebuttle following story given by Donna.
23March07-Kathy posts thread on her blog because like many, she has a clue and can read between the lines. Plus, Kathy happens to be fair and impartial….a very big plus indeed. Thread explodes over 72 hours and the BH diaspora slowly makes it way to thread. Lots of vomiting and healing begun until a few want to turn thread into theology civil war. After 711 posts, Kathy closes thread.
4April07-Follow up story in Samford’s newspaper. The story remains alive. The story is given a new infusion of Light.
5April07-Kathy reopens her blog with a new thread for commentary following Samford story. Slowly, BH diaspora returns to blog for new thread. Kathy closes thread on 21April07.
21April07-Kathy reopens new thread where it’s continued until 1May07.
Lots and lots going on behind the scenes.
1May07-Kathy reopens new thread and attempts to close on 9May07. A few stragglers post over next few days and total reaches 257 posts.
9May07-Kathy reopens thread where it continues this evening.
This summation is just to let people know there is still a story out there. Are we beating a dead horse per say? I don’t think so, not when the webs of deceit span 30 years of public ministry. Sure, there is emotion that has gone awry in some of these posts, but look at the central theme.
Over the years, many of us tried solo confrontations at BH all to no avail. The machine that existed within BH had a very heavy lid. When the lid came down in a swoop…the confronter was crushed unless a temporary escape was utilized. Look again at the central theme….if anyone out there thinks all of these stories are embellishments, or that Joyce didn’t know of the internal dynamics of RO….then the web of deceit continues to be woven.
For a decade, I’ve lived with painful memories but on 7May07, I entered a new phase with my husband at my side. I’ve spoken nothing but truth on this blog throughout the threads. It might not have been what many wanted to read, but it was truth nevertheless. The Jesus Christ I know is not a fraction, molecule, line-segment, arc, or by-line. He is complete; He is TRUTH. Sometimes, it stings.
God Bless You All,
Kimberly
May 17th, 2007 at 1:29 am
Another day of prayer needed today. People will be getting phone calls and more exposing of the truth. You would think that all would know the truth, but that is NOT the case. A lot of people don’t come to this blog or any other, so they hear of them but discount them as rumor mungering gatherings of the minds. So……..if they won’t come here, people are going to them.
These people will HAVE to make a choice to listen, and help the man or run the risk of being exposed by GG. You can’t hide when you’ve sat in on 4 to 5 different alledgations and looked the other way. You’re either going to have to explain what made each alledgation “seem” false, or why you covered up for a man with obvious problems. How involved WERE you, and how involved are you now? They can’t say “well, I haven’t talked to him……I’m not involved……or I have nothing to do with him”, because if they truely care for the man and want to help him, they are called to reach out and let him know what they now know to be the truth. Tough questions will have to be asked of both RO and JO and if the duo wants to continue the charade, then the dynamic duo will regret the consequences. If Ms. Jones can just hear that RO and JO are now being open and honest, then she’ll go away. But on the other hand, she’s getting more determined to “take it to the limit” if she keeps hearing otherwise. If you consider yourself a freind to RO, then I appeal to you to contact him and ask him the following:
Was this a one time affair or was it all through the years?
Was he lured by the promise of money to his ministry to Texas where he then had the affair with Ms. Jones?
If he answers “yes”, then ask him to reconsider his answer because there are tapes of him saying otherwise…..if he truthfully answers “no”, then ask him if he is NOW telling the same story to everyone else, from freinds, to board members. Also, if he truthfully answers “no”, then continue with the following:
Did he actually tell MS Jones that JO was terminal with a desease so they would soon be married?
Did he have sex with other women besides Ms. Jones or his wife while he was pastor at BH?
Does he know of a woman who claims that he got her pregnant?
Does he know of a woman who claims that he had “forced” sex with her?
Does he know of a woman who claims that he started out counseling with her, only to discuss areas of intimacy and offer to help her…….hands on?
Was he relived of his duties from earlier churches because of the rumors of inappropriate relationships.
And understand this……….if you’re a friend and he comes clean on these issues, please post the revalation so everyone can put this chapter behind them. Oh sure, there will be a lot of people that won’t EVER believe, but at the point that RO comes clean, then and only then can everyone move on.
Opening old wounds is not fun for anyone, but there’s a fork in the road for some of these people and they had better take a long look at where each road leads this time. Once upon a time, they took the wrong road that many forks in the road and look where everyone is now because of it.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:53 am
I have kept up with these posts for quite a while and have not posted anything. However, the time has come to clear up an error. RO is/was not the father of Dawn’s baby. This is an absurd comment and simply not true. Anyone stating such is wrong - absolutely wrong.
I am close to Dawn and I know who the father was - no since in asking because if you do not know, you were not close to either family. Please stop staying this as it is wrong.
For the nurses who are stating such, please respect the privacy of a patient (not to mention a supposed friend). According to medical laws, this is illegal to discuss patients and/or their records. If you did help Dawn, then you KNOW the accusations are false.
Please stop saying/repeating this mistake. Thank you.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:21 am
Friend of Dawn: If you’re referring to me, you can re-edit. I wasn’t employed as a nurse at the time and did not act in such a way. HIPPA has not been violated by myself. And…what I posted previously doesn’t state as such.
However, you and everyone else close to this situation can surmise that any question which is now arisen out of those circumstances can be traced back to Rick and which the entire situation was handled.
What I KNOW is all that I was told, which is what I’ve stated.
End of story.
Thanks,
Kimberly
May 17th, 2007 at 7:36 am
Kimberly,
Do you know who the father is?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:38 am
The father is Rick Ousley, I know that is hard for some to believe because we find it unthinkable. I now remember dinners over at the Ousley’s when Dawn was pregnant. I Know she was not living there during her pregnancy and I know where she was living (that is not important). My point is one evening my family and the Ousley’s were having dinner together I was appalled at Rick’s actions towards Dawn then but now it all makes sense.
I know it must have been so very hard for Dawn to give that baby up for adoption but who knows she may not have had a choice. I know all that left that dinner that night were talking about Rick’s actions towards Dawn and the suttle glances and glares Joyce would give at times. Be happy for this little girl does not have to grow up in the Ousley mess. Yes, for our tight net little pack that hung out together there was a young guy from the church that was named as the Father of the baby. We did not believe that then nor do we believe that now. Joyce knew of this and everything that has happened through the years. NO, the Texas woman was not the first nor the last.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:54 am
PAST BE MEMBER:
You and so many others are certain about Dawn’s situation. First, I feel so badly for this young woman. She must carry so much sadness in her spirit.
I am not criticizing or judging anybody in this situation. Even so, I need to ask some of you, now that you are able to look back, why did the members of the church tolerate all of this? It seems quite a few of you knew something was very wrong with RO and Joyce. Please make me understand how you felt then.
Again, I am sad for all of you, for the girls, for all of us. Do not think that I am criticizing.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:36 pm
PTSD MOM:
The father is Rick Ousley, I know that is hard for some to believe because we find it unthinkable. I now remember dinners over at the Ousley’s when Dawn was pregnant. I Know she was not living there during her pregnancy and I know where she was living (that is not important). My point is one evening my family and the Ousley’s were having dinner together I was appalled at Rick’s actions towards Dawn then but now it all makes sense.
I know it must have been so very hard for Dawn to give that baby up for adoption but who knows she may not have had a choice. I know all that left that dinner that night were talking about Rick’s actions towards Dawn and the suttle glances and glares Joyce would give at times. Be happy for this little girl does not have to grow up in the Ousley mess. Yes, for our tight net little pack that hung out together there was a young guy from the church that was named as the Father of the baby. We did not believe that then nor do we believe that now. Joyce knew of this and everything that has happened through the years. NO, the Texas woman was not the first nor the last.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
PAST BH MEMBER:
I had read that part before. I guess what I am trying to understand is why people did not pull together and try to have RO removed.
It sounds as though there was a lot of outrageous behavior throughout the years, some witnessed by members. Do you feel that he was so idolized that when people were in the midst of it, it did not seem as bad? When you guys would talk, did anybody suggest trying to have him removed?
Again, I am not judging. I just want to understand the atomosphere, what people were feeling during that time.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
PTSD MOM,
We did go the staff, lay Pastors, Sunday School teacher’s etc. Each time myself and my family were made out to be estranged from the group. I spoke out and lost more than half my friends I had within the church. After a time of sticking it out but walking in a room to hear it fall silent because I had walked in I finally took my family and we went to another church.
Word spreads and people talk. When Rick and Joyce both came to Brook Hills Joyce was the Secretary (speaking of someone that is moody with a very harsh rude temper). I’m only stating what I was subjected too and what I heard and saw. Many times I thought Joyce was my friend with times she came to our house crying and complaining about Rick. Little did I know that this whole time I would be the one that was accused of wanting her husband.
I, am in no way making light of the situation but Rick Ousley does and did not and never will attract me physically. He is such an arrogant, rude twist when you really see through to the core of the man he is. Even though Joyce and I were very close at one time. I recall the day Rick pulled up t our house unannounced.
He was crying when I opened the door and he began to tell me that Joyce did in fact have a terminal disease and he had ask the doctor’s not to tell her because of fear that she would give up. He told me she would need me now more than ever as a friend. I’m no Doctor but this was over three years back and I’m not saying this to be rude either. Joyce does not look sick, she does not act sick, she has gained weight through the years instead of dropping weight. She and I are not friends after she accused me of trying to steal hear husband. I’m happily married to the same man for 28 years now. A man I love but hate to hear him say I told you so as he has so many times the last month. He always had his doubts about Rick and one thing he had a very hard time understanding was why Rick would baptize someone twice in the same Sunday? My husband said it was more of a play set with characters than the true sacred meaning it was to be about.
Rick continued to come to our house for visit’s until my husband parked his car else where and he answered the door and for a lack of better words the old golf buddies had a good old boy talking. Something Goober would not have said in Mayberry (those that now Rick know what I’m talking about). :). We slowly lost contact with Rick and Joyce until we got an invite to the fundraiser in the mail. It’s still stuck on the fridge as my husband says it’s helping with his diet he does not want to open the fridge.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
LUCY:
OMG!!!! Your last two sentences cracked me up. That’s the best laugh I’ve had since this whole thing started!! Gosh, I should’ve kept the invitation as well. What a great idea!!
Kimberly
May 17th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
LUCY:
Thank you for the reply. I hope others that have had these types of experiences will write. It is helping me to understand the atmosphere at BH.
Regarding your husband, don’t ya just hate when he says that?
The atmosphere in that church sounds so awful, very dark spiritually. I am beginning to see that the social part of it all was difficult for those that were being victimized. If you spoke up you lost your church, as well as people YOU THOUGHT were friends.
Regarding Joyce, I have a real problem with Carson believing she is a prayerful woman and defending her (I believe Carson is being victimized.).
Sounds like she was a pretty good actress until you did not do what she wanted. They have been doing it so long, they ought to take the money that they manipulated out of BH and individual members and open a dinner theater. I suspect people would still pay to be in their presence.
Regarding Dawn, I cannot quit thinking of what she was living in, what might have happened to her. My heart bleeds for the memories she is carrying in her soul. I genuinely hope that she has a good life now and that she is working on healing.
From the situation I have been looking at over the years, it is my opinion that these two are true con artists that work with others to scam people and destroy lives for their depravity.
I am sorry that those of you that tried to speak up, went through such a hard time.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
KIMBERLY and LUCY: Yes, that is funny!
May 17th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Hey Yall, (Hey sorry I don’t blog often so when I do get ready LOL)!
ditto Sam if you do read this later.
I have had another day full of doctor’s with test scheduled at the hospital in the morning. If you get time a prayer thrown my way wouldn’t hurt. I have laughed and cried as I read the blog this afternoon. I’m having stomach problems already so I don’t need to put Rick’s pictures back up to keep me away from the fridge but once again just as Alabama Momma, made me do I spit my drink all over my monitor. Does anyone know why we havent heard from Alabama Momma? I agree with Kimberly when she said that was a much needed laugh. I spoke with Casper and Carson 1 today. Casper and I have several more things in the making and I did call Greg and one other person but I will wait to spill that when I get clearance. Casper 1 and I are so much alike with what we have been through with Rick that we don’t have to talk for a few days and we begin to talk about Rick and we finish each other’s sentences. We made light of T-shirt’s both saying “THAT WOMAN” with arrows pointing to each other as we stand side by side looking Rick Ousley dead in his eyes (I promised her that will happen). She laughed and said we better have more than just two shirts because other woman may have come forward by then.
I did try to contact Sam but knew they would be out of the office most of this week. Many times an email or talk with them have grounded me when I needed it the most (which is now
Now for some of the issues that have been brought up as far as Joyce knowing and not knowing what was going on. I absolutely without one doubt in my whole body believe that she knew and has known from day one. Someone remembered me saying that My Mother called Rick more than once through out the years warning him she would tell. My Mother last spoke with Joyce while Rick and I were on the week long fish trip. Joyce pleaded with me not to ruin the ministry because I would just ruin her life too. Well, without coming across as being caddy I will say she has taken her vows seriously (FOR BETTER OR WORSE). I agree with who ever posted that upon me calling and playing Rick’s own very very sexual messages to Joyce if she would have kicked him to the curb then with the insight of knowing about me and others not to mention Dawn’s situation. True Christian friends would have supported what ever she wanted or needed. By staying with Rick it shows me (only my opinion but what I truly believe). She has known all along. I ask her that night on the phone Joyce how can you do this? Not one tear she was mad not hurt. Rick was crying but he had gotten to be a master at crying when he needed too.
I too questioned Rick about the paternity of Dawn’s child. I first did it over the phone when he finally told me but I waited until we were in person again and I ask him straight up if he was the father? He reached over and hugged me so tight I could not breathe and he said please let’s just focus on us. He was sweating and shaking and just like if it was on cue his cell phone rang and it was Dawn. I then begin to count how many times Dawn would call when Rick and I were together. She thinking he was alone called often. In all our meetings through the years I never once remember Joyce calling and he always told me to leave to take a walk or he would leave and tell me he was going to call Joyce. Dawn called four to five times a night and sitting so close to him I could hear her say “I miss you and love you and will be glad when you are home.” He said he loved her living with Joyce and him because he at least had someone to hang out with..
Rick Ousley is still telling the same lie that this was a one time fling and that woman (ME) has made the rest up. To many have seen and heard evidence that will blow that story away. Turn the focus off me what about the other’s? If Rick Ousley really is sorry then tell the truth the whole truth.. Joyce speak up and say you were wrong in supporting his actions. Both of these people are sick and need to be helped but until you admit you have a problem the healing and restoration cannot begin. I pray they are man and woman enough to admit wrong is wrong and right is right.
March 5, 2007, I spoke out and said I’m wrong, I’ve been wrong. Please forgive me this is what I have done. I sit here today May 17, 2007, saying I was wrong, I have been forgiven. I thank God for all the new friends he sent my way and for the old one’s that never let go of my hand and felt me squeezing it harder at times.:) I pray ever day that God will restore my heart, that he will help Curtis 1 and other’s that have spoken out. Curtis 1 keep faith as you begin the journey to tell the whole truth.. I knew there would be those that would think bad of me but I am glad to say I have found so much more support and wonderful emails of thanks because of me now someone would believe them. PTSD MOM your family has been through hell on earth for nine years I believe as I did from day one this will all come full circle and your family will be a family as it once was and should be. Kimberly (and husband) can’t wait to meet you two and give you a big ole Texas hug. You two have also been through hell. It amazes me how telling the truth can sting and hurt so much but later in life we find out that telling the truth and sticking with the truth delivers just such a peaceful feeling at the end of the day. This time of the evening when the sun is going down is my favorite time of the day. The birds and squirrels are crazy in my back yard. It’s a time for me to reflect and see God’s creatures and he always finds away to send me a signal. I stopped about 10 min ago because I think I was about to say something that would have been rude. I got up and went out side and looked up at the sky and there was the biggest brightest rainbow I have seen in a very long time. I said out loud THANK YOU JESUS.
May all of you see your rainbow and stay with the truth and the faith and nothing or know one can lead us a stray.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
May 17th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Donna:
I know you were talking about me in the above you wrote Casper1. I know that you have alot going on so I just made that correction for you.
And everyone else that might be confused.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
I believe Rick and Joyce had/have a marriage of convenience. He told me he was not physically attracted to her, they hadn’t had sex (together) forever which was ok with both of them. He wasn’t attracted to her and she was “going thru the change” and wasn’t interested in sex either. He couldn’t divorce her because then he’d be a pastor that’s been divorced twice….that would be the end of his ministry. She’s just along for the ride. Regarding the estate sale this Saturday, it just goes to show you what a wimp he is that he’s not going to be there to help. No, I don’t feel sorry for either of them. They knew what they were doing all along.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Curious BH Member:
How long ago did he tell you this? What in the world did you respond with?
We appreciate you sharing. If there is anybody else, please tell us about your encounter.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
CURIOUS:
I believe your post, but that is so, so, sad to actually read that Rick would talk like that in public about his wife. We all know now how he’s lived a double-life for decades, but to talk like that in public about your spouse lacks any kind of decency. Talking like that illustrates the Rick had no moral code…period.
I remember way back in the early days of BH, Rick would spew lots from the pulpit regarding marriage. He would tell the men…”If the grass looks greener on the other side guys, then water your yard!”
How sad that Rick was watering every yard but his own way back when. I’m beginning to think that the only truth that ever came out of Rick’s mouth were scriptures and nothing else.
But you know what? Even demons know scriptures. Demons know the history and time of the church as well. What demons don’t know is the fulfillment of Real Love.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:06 pm
I have just spent some major time reading this and previous blogs. This one thing jumps out at me over and over. Tell me if anyone else sees this…. several “people” continue to make the same grammatical errors over and over….using to instead of too to mean also, capitalizing when it is not necessary, the incessant use of commas, and using an apostrophe to make a word plural. I am not trying to pick apart anyone’s use of the language, but rather speculating on why so many different people make the same errors over and over. Any thoughts?????
May 17th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
It’s quite possible that not everyone posting was an “A” student in English/Language Arts. Sam hasn’t posted in awhile, but he’s an edior and already addressed this previously.
Kimberly
May 17th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
I am aware that he has already addressed this, and I will say again, I don’t expect everyone to be “A” students in English, but after years of teaching English in the public school systems, I can tell you this- you will rarely find the EXACT same errors over and over from multiple people, all in the same forum.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
I think too, it’s been addressed that there are far more reading than blogging. Are you trying to say that there are a few individuals on here that are actually using more than one name? If you are, just spit it out there instead of insinuating.
I used to tutor English, and even I’ve made lots of errors. Blogging is not the same as essay writing.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Thanks Curtis 1
I just got a call for me to read what I put on the blog and YEPERS I was talking about CURTIS 1 (you). Thanks for correcting that for me. I did speak with Casper also today but yes it was you I was referring too. Just read my own blog and looks like that was the only mistake I made…. Sorry for any confusion to anyone that that might have caused.
Curious BH Member - BINGOOOOOOOO! I have been told the above blog entry for so long….almost word for word would Rick tell me this about he and Joyce. I guess it’s what always kept that thread of hope in my heart and I’m sure CURTIS 1 (got it right that time) has felt the same way through the years because that is what Rick drilled in our heads. Not just once but for YEARS.
Even worse Rick did tell me Joyce was sick and I’m not sure if I posted this or not but as God it my witness I speak nothing but the truth. Rick in his own words told me the only way he could marry me was if Joyce died. He explained the same thing that a twice divorced preacher would mean his career would be finished. He went as far to say that the only way he could marry me was if and when Joyce died. Folks this man whom I loved looked at me and said “I even prayed for God to just take her out.” he just snickered and I ask him what he meant and he said for
Her to be killed in a car wreck and go to heaven then we could get married.” I was speechless and then Rick Ousley said “guess it was the wrong thing to pray because three days later was when I was in brain surgery so I guess God almost took me out instead.” Word for word I quote that as the truth. Yes, they deserve what it happening and NO it does not surprise me Rick wont be there he always ran when the fire got to close to home.
OK! Thank you CURTIS 1 for correcting my error and I must stop now before I get all worked up and Rick and Joyce will not ruin my evening.
God Bless You and Yours,
Donna Jones
May 17th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
DONNA:
I’m very glad you’re out of the snare of the evil one now. Glad Curtis1 is too.
Blessings,
Kimberly
May 17th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
I forgot to post this earlier in my post to confused……
If per chance, there are a couple of individuals out here in cyberspace utilizing more than one name, I’m sure Kathy will address it as she has in the past.
CONFUSED/SKEPTICAL: Does this help you feel better? It seemed to me you were trying to question the integrity of some of the bloggers.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
CONFUSED/SKEPTICAL:
You must have been focusing on my writing; because I am always in a hurry and have to much too do.
I apologize if it make’s it difficult to read. I never was to good in english. I didn’t think this was a big deal on a blogg. My apologies.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
Gosh! Today I’ve received two great waves of humorous laughter from this thread!
May 17th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
I didn’t know that Sam was an edior….
May 17th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
It was in ‘04 Rick spoke of his lack of a sexual relationship with Joyce.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
BLOGGERS:
I truly do apologize for my spelling and grammer mistakes. I am always rushing around and I am not an educate woman.
Somehow I got the idea that since we are on a blogg it was not a big deal.
I have always felt bad about my lack of education. Now I feel really bad. Again sorry.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
JUANBUOY;
I didnt know that either. I miss Sam and Alabama Momma.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
PTSD:
I’m also sorry about any mispellings. I didn’t know that “spelling” and “grammar” were more important than “content.”
(bloggers: you must do the “air quotes” with your hands to get the full effect.)
May 17th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Hey guys…WOW! A lot has transpired since I have been away! I have had you all in my thoughts and prayers, though. Ok, I’m a little confused about the whole grammar thing. PTSD MOM has always been an extremely eloquent writer, and I don’t understand the last two posts of hers. (Did someone use her name? Or, was she just being funny?)
May 17th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Aw, I missed ya’ll too! Glad to be missed…