New Rick Ousley Thread
I’m going to start a new comment thread as the most recent one has become a bit unwieldy. ALmod was planning to set up a forum, but she has a couple of family members in the hospital, and she needs to focus on them.
Comment at will.
If you want to catch up, see here, here, and here. Yes, I know I said in that middle post that we were going to stop this, but the current discussion has returned to the original focus, and that can be a healthy outlet.
April 21st, 2007 at 12:13 pm
Kathy,
Thank you for this. I, and others, very much appreciate this outlet.
April 21st, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Hello to all!
I thought long and hard before I posted again on this site but I’m doing it for two reasons. The first and foremost important one to me is to ask all of you to pray for Donna and her health.
Secondly to respond to two other questions that have come out?
(1) Should Gordon Pate have contacted Donna? That is something we are all trying to figure out as to what his motive was. His first contact was via email giving his cell #, etc., She has that forwarded and saved in a very safe place.
Next Donna contacted him on her cell twice in one day (she has those two conversations saved in a safe place).
Donna finally spoke to Gordon which she posted and she has the record of that conversation saved in a safe place.
According to Donna’s Lawyer he did cross the line BUT at the same time he showed Donna is holding all the cards and he has none.
His conversation showed he has been hurt and torn and for better words thrown in a situation where he might be Rick’s friend of 10 years but there is only so much you can do legally friend or not. Rick is sinking faster than quick sand as more news comes to light. My thoughts on that is what comes around goes around and he is getting everything he deserves with more to come.
I can promise you this, though her health is not good her fight is bigger and stronger than before. She said this morning “if they think I’m giving up in three month’s they are wrong.” In talking with her I did find out one church that I wanted to post the information about. Donna has kept with the truth from the day she came forward and she will until the day she meets the Lord.
One of the churches she called was Dogwood Church, Peachtree City, GA. Rick is to preach there or so his schedule still says on 8/12/2007. The phone # is (770)-632-4402 She spoke with a lady named Elaine. This lady was very nice and gave Donna the information she wanted but hated to hear but also found it strange the lady ask her twice “and what is your name again”? Of course Donna gave a different name than her own but was told this by Elaine. ” Rick Ousley is scheduled to preach at 8:00am, 9:30am & 11:00am the church is also working to possibly have him speak on Saturday evening the 11th but that has not been confirmed and if you will call back Monday I will have the information for you (everyone had left for the day).
Quixotic Ministries site is still up. I don’t care one bit that certain links don’t work. The site is still up with the correct date on the site (that changes daily) so as far as I’m concerned there is another lie from the Ousley camp by saying the site had been taken down there exact quote follows:
“Ousley’s speaking engagements were canceled and his Web site shut down by the board of directors of Quixotic Ministries, which he founded after retiring from Brook Hills.”
Ousley camp has left up the link that follows:
Contact
Rick Ousley Quixotic Ministries
PO Box 555, Chelsea, Alabama 35043, United States
Phone: 205-678-4898
Contact: Information
Name:
E-mail:
Address:
City:
State/Province:
Country:
Postal Code:
Phone:
Comments:
Maybe they should here from some of us telling them how we feel. Why would they have left the site up rather than take it down?
Go, ‘dogs, Go! Rick’s ministry as chaplain to the Samford University Bulldogs impacts young men and their families well beyond the playing field.
The above quote is also on the site which makes me mad that all involved have not had the respect for Samford University to take this off the web site. Although it is very true in saying he made an impact in the students, his cussing, dirty jokes, comments about the cheerleaders left the students to believe he was “only trying to fit in and be one of them” as Christopher Smith told Donna several students had told him.
Lets pray, let’s email Quixotic Ministries they must want to hear from us since they left the site up. Let’s call those churches out there.
As soon as Donna is able she will answer emails and calls and with a grin continue calling who ever she needs too to keep Rick from preaching again in three month’s.
We are going to first pray for her health because I can tell you this if Rick is going to preach then Donna will be at the church to listen
May God Bless you All
April 21st, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Just posted but it has not shown up under this new blog nor the older long one?
April 21st, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Sorry, Ann. I have a good spam filter, but every now and then it catches real comments.
April 21st, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Thanks Kathy,
Having this post really means a lot to keep the news of RICK OUSLEY out there. Thanks for all your hard work and having this site for all of us to express our feelings.
April 21st, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Kathy:
i would like to thank you too for the comment threads that you have made
available to people to help vent and to help ease their hurts, pain&broken hearts from what “ro” has done in the past. i don’t have a ‘dog’ in this ‘fight’ as Donna, PTSD Mom & others do=but wow this is all shocking.Donna, you are very strong &courageous=to bring this all out in the open, because if you had not=’ro’ would probably still be living the ‘double’ lifestyles&dishing out the lies that have resulted from his acts. i had tried, maybe like others not to read the entries on Kathy’s site, wasnt good for me blood pressure=but it has helped me to understand &figure out some of what “”ro” and his untruthfulness may be about. My heart aches for Donna, “ro”’s children, and the others that he hurt &mislead when he was once a minister. Many things posted in the entries have left many new questions not answered& maybe many things will not ever be known to others=but the hurt that is evident (from Donna, PTSD Mom, the Samford Students && others) that was done by ‘ro’ has blown me away!! such as-Living the ‘double’ life-&&the question re: the birth of his grandchild- unbelievable!! Preaching &saying one thing then going out &living the complete opposite? how did he get away with this for so long??
i think it was in the #2 thread you had Kathy, someone had written in re: a relative that went to Brook Hill then suddnely left? Relatives, family, friends of ‘ro” that ’suddenly leave a church due to ‘ro”? The power he once had to accomplish this all-
Too, the one post listed ‘ro’ as an octopus=’sucking’ folks in to what he
wanted or what he needed seems to be a great description =but now hopefully his powers will be stopped &&crushed! i agree with other folks=don’t let this fall off the radar.–true, “ro” will have to answer higher authorities than all of us here on earth someday=but for now as i am trying to turn this over to God to handle=as from the entries here=the ‘hurts’ that ‘ro’ caused to many people in many states over so many years are so raw and evident. Kathy Thanks for this site its helping me && i’m sure others to. (hope some of the above makes sense as blogs &threads are all new to me-but from your site Kathy-i’m learning a messof new ‘internet’ things thanks-))
April 21st, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Kathy,
Does you blog allow pictures to be posted?
April 21st, 2007 at 6:18 pm
I have tried to stay away from any news concerning Rick Ousley, but found that hard to do. Rick was what I called a “friend.” There were many times that I questioned his judgment or rather his lack of judgment in several instances but when I made mention to Rick that he better be careful or not do or say what he had done. We would be playing golf and he would curse like a Sailor always laughing it off like he was joking but now I know better.
My wife and I thought a lot of Rick and knew him in Texas even before he married Joyce. Later through the years we found out that we knew more about Joyce than we realized (my cousin is married to Joyce’s ex fiance Eddie).
I mentioned this to Rick and he swore me to what he called “brotherly secrecy.” Small world we live in. My wife and I were going to the fundraiser that was held for Rick On March 9th when our daughter & son -in- law were involved in a car wreck.
Because we had been in touch with Joyce and she knew we were coming to the fund raiser we let her know of the wreck and ask for prayers for our family. She had no problem booking us tables and taking our money before the event.
My wife sent an email explaining of the wreck and we mailed in another check of support. First we were never refunded the money back for tables, next not even a thank you for the money we mailed in for support and to add to insult not even one email of prayer for our kids. We have emailed asking a refund of the money and have gotten no response.
The only reason I make mention of this is the post where they say email Quixotic Ministries. I just don’t want anyone holding there breath waiting for a response.
Money is NOT the object here just as my wife said we are not sure we even want it back, but I told her they don’t deserve it and there’s plenty of other’s that I would much rather give it to than to pay for Rick’s flings.
To Ms. Jones I have emailed you but have not heard back from you, please get in touch with me or my wife as we have more information we would like to give you. We did call the B-News to tell out story and was told Greg Garrison was on vacation. Ms Jones stay strong and hold your head up high it was a long time coming for someone to knock Rick of his throne. Adding to that let me say Joyce was and is just as much a part of this, she knew this was going on the whole time. We did not know of Ms. Jones but we did know of two others sadly we did not believe them and took up for Rick. We have found one of those woman and told her how sorry we are and gave her this site information and Ms. Jones’s information.
I also checked with some folks that are very close to Rick and Joyce the story of there house being for sale is just that a story. Is Rick planning to preach again? He already has and yes he will continue. Now I ask as a community, people from different states and religions we have one God and I’m asking you to pray to that God and pray for this Ousley empire to fall down. If that sounds harsh it is but there is so much more than has not even been brought out.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Thanks Kathy for providing this forum. I am stunned and amazed that The Quixotic One’s online “store” remains open. Who are the board members for that “ministry” ? Why have they not done something about that ? If they have doubts about Ms. Jones’s allegations, they should speak up and stand by their man (they chose to be one the board). If they have no doubts, they should be ashamed that TQO’s website continues to seek to part fools from their money.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Michael,
I know that Rick preached in Moulton after the fundraiser as the story was breaking. Has he preached since?
Thanks,
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Michael, I really need to make contact with you. It is important to my family. Please write Donna again and ask her to give you an e-mail to contact me. I just sent her a message asking her to give you my e-mail address.
Please get in touch with me.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Oh, and Michael…you’re so right about there being so much more than what has been published. The timeclock is ticking away. The question is…whom to tell? when to tell? I don’t think Greg Garrison is the answer.
The problem is Rick surrounded himself over the years with a good ‘ol boy club that includes church leaders, civic leaders, and law enforcement. I’m praying for discernment and suggest that others do as well.
Thanks,
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Michael, I am from Texas and need to communicate with you about Texas.
April 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pm
PTSD: I was just wondering if you had seen Michael’s post. I wonder if FOR THE RECORD has seen it as well.
TTYL,
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Kimberly, you know how important it will be for me to communicate with Michael. Say a prayer that Donna will act as a conduit for the communication. I just sent her an address where he can contact me.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pm
PRAYERS GOING UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love ya!
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 7:07 pm
People on this site keep hinting of “more, more, more” that is unknown to the public. Well, if that is the case and people have TRUE information, then what are they afraid of ? Write a book. You could probably find a publisher. I would not, however, recommend approaching Faith Prints, Inc., publisher of “books regarding faith/morality/ethical standards” with the idea. According to the Alabama Secretary of State’s website, that entity was incorporated by The Quixotic One himself a couple of weeks before his “indiscretion” (his rep’s word) was made public by “that woman” (his term for Ms. Jones).
April 21st, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Ann, there’s no way to post pics in the comments.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Mumsy, I am wondering if his board consists of mainly family members. ???? I have repeatedly tried to find the names of board members.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Mumsy, there may also be another company with his name on it. Did you type in “Rick Ousley” under coporations? If not, go back and look again.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Kimberly,
Oh, man I needed that. LOL.
Love ya too,
PTSD
April 21st, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Just go to Alabama Secretary of State’s website, click on “corporations” and follow links. You can look TQO up by incorporator. TQO is listed as an incorporator of, and as the registered agent for, Faith Prints, Inc., and the address of the registered agent is given as 166 Bonnie Blue Lane, Columbiana, AL. I believe that is the same address as TQO’s Quixotic Ministries.
I have no clue who is on the board of Quixotic Ministries. I would love to know.
April 21st, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Mumsy,
Some of us tried to do things in the past to expose Rick Ousley. For a myriad of reasons, it didn’t turn out the way we either expected/ or wanted it to.
When you’ve been bitten by the wolf once, you proceed with extreme caution. That’s my circumstance.
Kimberly (my very real name)
April 21st, 2007 at 8:26 pm
Kimberly,
Did you work night shift many years ago? I’m not sure but I think we may have worked together for a few months around 10 years ago.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Okay, and it’s what I thought…Rick’s website is powered/run by E-zekiel. I did some checking and found this info:
Corporate Address:
2100 Riverchase Center
Suite 212
Birmingham, AL 35244
Phone: 1 888 942 6607 (US and International)
Fax: 205 982 5797
This address would be the one to use to voice complaints about Rick’s website.
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 8:38 pm
LYDIA: I just saw your post. Yes, to your question. Is Lydia your real name? I’m sorry, I just don’t remember a “Lydia.”
April 21st, 2007 at 8:40 pm
Ooops, not 10 years ago!
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Mumsy, Kimberly is correct. Those of us that do have information must present it with caution. There are people out there that would like to stop us, to do whatever necessary to take us down.
It WILL all come out when there is a right way to present it to the right people so that we and our loved ones will be protected.
If we keep talking about it, people like Michael will feel comfortable to share with us. There is strenghth in numbers. I do believe that God wants us to come together like links in a chain to help him reveal the truth; to force darkness out into the light.
April 21st, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Maybe that is why you don’t remember. LOL.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:11 pm
Kimberly,
No, Lydia is not my real name. My real name is very distinctive and I’m not sure I want to use it just yet. The Kimberly I worked with was very involved with teaching Bible studies and worked with neonates. It may not have been 10 years ago but was probably close. This girl knew the Ousleys very well.
Lydia
April 21st, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Lydia,
Don’t worry about not wanting to use your real name. There are many on here that don’t.
As far as knowing the Ousleys very well; with much sadness I believe no one knows them very well. Not even the Ousleys.
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 9:25 pm
LYDIA: Hmmmm……..does your real name begin with a “D?”
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 9:28 pm
RO house has a For Sale sign in the front yard. Word is out that they are moving to the Roebuck area of B’ham.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:31 pm
What is the Roebuck Area?
April 21st, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Kimberly,
Yes it does! It is a Biblical name. We had many deep discussions while the babies slept.
I really don’t have any personal connection with the Ousley situation other than being concerned for all involved. I just saw your posts and thought you sounded familiar.
If you are the Kimberly I know, and you don’t mind my asking, how is your health?
Lydia
April 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pm
RE: A book about “The Rise and Fall of Richard Ousley”
Again I say, “Where is Frank Peretti?!?!
A book? Gosh, I’m seeing a MADE FOR TV movie….. Gary Busey could play R.O. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1808975/posts (scroll down toward bottom to see their side-by-side photos).
April 21st, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Lydia: I placed it when you said “very distinctive.”
Your timing was a little off, that’s what threw me for awhile.
My health: mental, emotional, spiritual, or physical?
Teasing, I know what you’re referring to-am doing okay, but I’d rather not discuss on the blog. Thanks for asking though.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:46 pm
More like “Dateline” or “20/20″
April 21st, 2007 at 9:46 pm
More like “Dateline” or “20/20″
April 21st, 2007 at 9:47 pm
PTSD: Roebuck is on the eastern side of Birmingham. Northeast on I-59 towards Trussville. I would believe the yard sign, but Roebuck? That may just be rumor. Roebuck is an older part of Bham.
April 21st, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Thanks, Kimberly.
MICHAEL, you still there?
April 21st, 2007 at 9:55 pm
JUST WONDERING: There’s no joy in this quagmire, believe me. It’s a very dark abyss, (though Peretti fits as author) with so many, many facets and dimensions.
When the story broke to the public, many thought it was a one-time, fall-from-grace event. That’s why so many are having (cliche’) “to eat crow.” It is a lifetime of deception which has no boundaries.
Some individuals who once stood by him, staunchly defending him are repositioning and rethinking. It’s a travesty and tragedy simultaneously. Not a lifetime movie.
Our Father weeps.
Kimberly
April 21st, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Yes, Kimberly, our Father weeps . . .
And I certainly didn’t mean to offend anyone by making light of the situation by suggesting a TV movie.
My apologies to Donna, and to everyone else.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Yes, He does weep.
Kimberly, I am with you. I suspect this game has been played for a long, long time.
I feel bad for those that are having to “eat crow”. Some of us have known for many, many years. I think somewhere inside of themselves others have seen the truth. God let’s us know much of the time. I think we just get caught up in making people what we need them to be.
It is my opinion, that people like RO and his kind know exactly that. They use that part of us to grab hold and play the manipulation game.
Come on, RO, if you are reading this, you know exactly what I am talking about. As does your associates that like to dance in the darkness the same as you. May God have mercy on your souls. Not that I believe you deserve such mercy after what you have done.
Oh, yes. Our Father weeps.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Yes, He does weep.
Kimberly, I am with you. I suspect this game has been played for a long, long time.
I feel bad for those that are having to “eat crow”. Some of us have known for many, many years. I think somewhere inside of themselves others have seen the truth. God let’s us know much of the time. I think we just get caught up in making people what we need them to be.
It is my opinion, that people like RO and his kind know exactly that. They use that part of us to grab hold and play the manipulation game.
Come on, RO, if you are reading this, you know exactly what I am talking about. As does your associates that like to dance in the darkness the same as you. May God have mercy on your souls. Not that I believe you deserve such mercy after what you have done.
Oh, yes. Our Father weeps.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Just Wondering:
On my part, no apology needed. Sometimes, in our hurt we have to make light.
April 21st, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Just Wondering: You didn’t offend me, I just wanted to make it clear that through a sequence of events, we all were led to this blog. It has been helpful for the most part.
For those of us that have lived it, it is even surreal at times to us. I’m sure it does read bizarre to those who are just now (since March 23) really learning about Rick. It is definitely hard to peel away the scabs to inspect the wound(s).
April 21st, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Hey, Mumsy. I must have missed it somewhere on the blog. I am always getting lost.
Did you have some sort of experience with RO?
April 21st, 2007 at 10:48 pm
I have no fuel to heap on the flames. I am simply interested in knowing the truth.
April 21st, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Mumsy,
All I can say to you(respectfully) is the entire truth will be revealed on God’s timeline and not man’s. If you’ve kept up with responses nationwide in the evangelical community…some were blown away with just the small portion that was revealed. Many didn’t want to accept it, face it, endure it, whatever you want to term it.
Why? Well, many gave RO a free pass. I compared him yesterday to an octopus and that’s still true. Many didn’t want to admit that they might’ve been following RO and not God. He’s quite the schmooze. Some call it con.
Definitely, he was deceitful.
Have you read Donna’s posts? She is walking through the fire right now. It’s amazing to me how there are so many pastors around the country debating when Rick should be back in the pulpit-like it’s a given. (NEVER!!)
Admittedly, I step back then and devour Ezekiel 34 and John 10.
Entire and Absolute truth will be revealed when God knows we are prepared to handle it. As I posted earlier, several of us were bitten by the wolf previously. We’re not willing to “air” it all until God says “Air!”
In the meantime, this blog has been helpful to many of us. This blog has ZILCH affiliation with BH and that’s for the best.
If you’re just sitting by waiting for juice to be spilled, you might be waiting a long time. (no sarcasm) We owe nothing to anyone except our worship and thanksgiving to our Lord and Savior…Jesus Christ
Respectfully submitted,
Kimberly
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April 22nd, 2007 at 2:10 am
Anne,
While Kathy can NOT post pictures on this blog, you CAN link to a picture hosting site. You could also link audio too……
I think I know where this is heading. Might be a little work on you end, but might pay off when the radio interviews begin. They could go to the website, play the audio clips and see the pictures for themselves.
Ironic isn’t it, Alex Baldwin gets toasted over his tirad to his child……now it seems we’re heading there with RO too. His defenders would disappear quickly if this happens. I would certainly think that if Baldwin’s comments are news, then this stuff is going to blow your socks off.
Lastly, I understand people’s need to proceed cautiosly and in some cases not discuss things that are not relavent for they only take the attention away from the real issue. Let’s honor those wishes and let people expose or defuge as they feel they can or desire. Michael’s story is just the start of “more to come”……the snow ball is starting to roll downhill.
April 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 am
DONNA:
I have read your numerous posts across these blogs, as well as those of others. I have read of your recently escalated health issues, and how you are coming to grips with your 29 years of sin.
May I ask a question? If Rick Ousley had left his wife, say one year ago, and married you would you now be silent, or would you still have the need to publically expunge only 28 years of sin from your life?
Had Rick Ousley “lived up” to his promise to marry you, would you have forgiven him of all those years of the very sins with which you now are crucifying him.
See, the obvious point is that you are as guilty, or more so, than he is. You were not an accomplice, you were a co-conspirator. You were not the victim, you were - and are - one-half of the guilty pair.
May I suggest that your recent health issues are not the result of almost 30 years of sin, they are the result of 30 day’s manifestation of your anger, pride and own sin.
“Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned
Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.”
“The Mourning Bride” (1697) by William Congreve.
April 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 am
For the Record, well said.
Anne, I hope you find a way to link the pics and, maybe, recordings. I would not want to see you do it in revenge of any sort. I want you to do it so that those that think he should be allowed to minister after a short vacation will understand that this is serious, and that there are other serious issues and circumstances that they might need to consider. I would like you to do it simply to bring light.
This “stuff” will blow people’s socks off. Maybe they should walk barefoot for a while and understand how many of us have had to walk barefoot (certainly not by choice), while our souls were being cut and torn. It is such grace to understand that God heals all.
April 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 am
NotRick:
There is something at work that is far greater than that of a scorned woman’s fury. Matt. 10:26-27 says, “Don’t be intimidated. Eventually everything is going to be out in the open, and everyone will know how things really are. So don’t hesitate to go public now…” [The Message]
28″Don’t be bluffed into silence by the threats of bullies. There’s nothing they can do to your soul, your core being. Save your fear for God, who holds your entire life—body and soul—in his hands.
Rick, here is a verse for you:
Psalm 141 Let the righteous strike me; it shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me. It shall be as excellent oil; let my head not refuse it.
Deal with it! All of it.
April 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 am
NotRickOusely:
You asked some valid questions to Donna. What I am questioning is the way you asked those questions. It appears that you did not really want an answer, that you had already made up your mind.
Surely I am mistaken. I doubt that you were intentionally so ugly to one that is having so much emotional and physical pain.
In the case that you were being intentionally ugly, I want to remind you that RO started his relationship with Donna when she was under-age. She was a naive adolescent that idolized this man. He was a minister. He was cute———AND he liked her. Her and her little sister would, in their adolescent way, argue over who’s boyfriend he was; who he would like best.
Evidently, he chose to consumate the relationship when she turned 18, which, I believe, is very telling about, at the very least, the flirting that might have been going on before she was of age. From what I understand, Donna’s mother was hurt and angry. Evidently, she told RO to stay away from her daughter. He chose to do quite the obvious in a very overt way.
My Point: RO was an adult that for years cultivated a relationship with a young girl that had a crush on him. Instead of putting an end to it, he chose to take it to the next level, in spite of her mother’s wishes. Donna, being an 18 year old kid, chose RO over her mother’s wishes. She was then in a position of “do or die”. As an immature girl she had to try and make it work; not to mention she adored him. After all, she had gone against her mother’s wishes.
This went on for years; years, where this thing evolved. Yes, Donna made mistakes. She had openly said this and she has admitted openly that it was sin. She has taken responsiblity for her part of this.
Evidently, RO, a “minister” has yet to take responsiblity for all those years with her (and quite possibly other’s).
Not Rick Ousely, I am sure you did not mean to attack Donna. Please try to look at how you came off in your post and also please try to look at the influence RO had on Donna since she was an adolescent; how that impacted her growth, her emotional maturity and her part of this situation.
Instead of revenge, maybe she just woke up.
I state nothing in this post as fact, only opinion.
April 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 am
Regarding Juanboy’s post:
Ditto and thank you for the scriptures.
April 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 am
Perhaps I am wrong, but I seem to remember that Rick contacted Donna thinking she was the woman sending e-mails to him, threatening to expose him. Only after that did Donna go public.
It is human nature to try to hide our sin. It sounds as if Donna was under conviction for some time, but continuing to participate in the sinful relationship. If it became apparent to her that Rick was soon to be exposed for what he actually is, she may have felt it best to “out” herself.
Donna has repeatedly accepted responsibility for her part in this mess. Although she has told the story of her seduction, she doesn’t seem to be blaming Rick as in “it’s all his fault!”
Not RIck states that it is”as much her fault, if not more so.” How do you figure her share of the blame? The questions he asks about what Donna would have done if Rick had left his wife for her are valid. Those are questions Donna must ask herself as she continues this journey.
If Rick does repent and seek the forgiveness of all he has wronged, he should be forgiven as Christ forgave us. But as someone once pointed out to me, yes Christ did die to forgive us of our sins. That forgiveness is freely given, BUT we have to confess our sin and ask for that forgiveness. It is not automatic. The same applies to when people wrong us. We may choose to forgive regardless of the other persons admission of guilt. We may choose for our own sake to forgive, to put it aside. We are not required to forgive unless asked for forgiveness again as in Christ’s example.
Forgiveness of Rick does not mean he shouldn’t experience the earthly consequences of his actions. Quite the contrary. In fact, a sign of true repentence would be humility and the acknowledgement that he has disqualified himself from a highly visible position in any ministry. God can definitely use him again, but not necessarily in a way that the rest of us would ever even know about.
Lydia
April 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pm
Lydia, over and over again Christians tell me that I must forgive, even those that have destroyed our family are still doing so and there is no confession or repentence. You are the first that I have seen that says they must confess and ask for forgiveness.
Of course, I do not hate these people and I do feel sad that they gave up being the individuals that God borne them to be. I feel sad that the wrath that will fall on their heads will be awful. By getting to this place, I have been able to acquire peace.
I just cannot forgive those that still engage to purposefully destroy our family.
Why is there so much confusion regarding his “forgiveness” issue among Christians?
April 22nd, 2007 at 5:01 pm
NOTRICKOUSLEY:
I’ve got a chapter in the Hebrew for you to read…it’s Ezekiel 34. Now go read one in the Greek with the Aramaic of Christ…John 10.
Guess what? At the very same time Rick was seducing a teenager; Rick was also posing as a Minister/Pastor of the very Gospel Rick was defiling. At the time Rick began seducing Donna, Rick was divorced. You know what? Rick’s patterns of defilement were already set in place. Rick had an affair(s) during Rick’s first marriage to Deb.
Rick’s pattern of lascivious behavior was well established long before Donna came into the picture. Rick may have consumated the relationship with Donna when Donna was 18, nevertheless,the spiritual raping of Donna’s mind and spirit took place long before Donna was 18.
Woe to the Shepherd that harms the sheep instead of feeding the sheep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kimberly
April 22nd, 2007 at 5:43 pm
When Rick called Donna and asked her to stop the e-mails - was it THEN that Donna realized there were other women in RO’s life besides Joyce and herself? Is that why she decided to expose their affair?
April 22nd, 2007 at 6:45 pm
From the Samford Crimson page 2 of 4:
http://media.www.samfordcrimson.com/media/storage/paper1166/news/2007/04/04/Sports/Chaplain.Quits.Amidst.Affair-2821392.shtml
April 22nd, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I’ll try again to paste in text from the Crimson article:
Jones decided to go public after getting a call from Ousley on March 5. A fundraising benefit took place on March 9, with a silent auction that raised thousands of dollars for Ousley to take the entire fall off from Quixotic Ministries to write a book.
A woman had e-mailed Joyce Ousley, Rick’s wife, saying ‘I can’t wait to see you at the banquet,’ and he suspected Jones.
“He said, ‘Is that you trying to get my attention?’ I said no, absolutely not. We’ve never e-mailed each other,” Jones said. “He said, ‘Oh, Lord…’ He had told me he’d had one other affair besides me, which is now a bold-faced lie. I said, ‘Could it be that other woman?’ His exact quote to me was ‘which one?’ In other words, he was scared to death of who was going to show up at that benefit.”
April 22nd, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Thanks JohnBoy, that does make it a little clearer. I had read that when it came out but had forgotten some of the details.
I still say that SOMEBODY AT SAMFORD NEEDS TO GET SAMFORD’S NAME OFF OF THE QUIXOTIC WEB SITE!!!!!!!!!!!
April 22nd, 2007 at 7:24 pm
“Go, ‘dogs, Go! Rick’s ministry as chaplain to the Samford University Bulldogs impacts young men and their families well beyond the playing field.”
https://www.z2systems.com/np/clients/qm/eventList.jsp
April 22nd, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Samford Administration should also take a look at RO’s relationship with others associated with the football team in the mid-90’s; those that were not athletes. I wonder why nobody looks into this.
April 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 pm
NotRIckOusley:
Even if Donna’s motive was revenge, and I do not believe it is, the bottom line here is that RO had an affair with a young woman, a relationship he cultivated when she was still a child, during his marriage.
No matter what the motives are or are not, the FACTS are the FACTS.
April 22nd, 2007 at 8:52 pm
PTSD:
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROCK ON SISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 am
I was visiting family on Sunday. They are from Memphis and are usually up on the news. When I asked if they knew who Rick Ousley is, they talked about how great he is. They had not heard anything about the current stuff. Somehow this has to get out to the wider world or he will be back out there spinning his web of lies.
Fran
April 23rd, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Here’s the link to the Brook Hills/Rick Ousley forum. Thanks so much to ALmod for setting it up for us! You will have to register in order to post comments, but she assures me it’s an easy process.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Does this link with ALmod mean your site won’t be working anymore? Yours seems to be much easier to use.
April 23rd, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Kathy,
Please keep this site up and working! The other site is not as easy & well known to the internet public. Donna is back home and will be posting later tonight or in the morning, most likely in the morning as she has she gotten home and needs her rest.
As I have said before I love her to death but she is hard headed and though we have kept her off the computer she has demanded we read her the new entries and get ready she has written a book in response to some of the postings.
I agree with several that have called her to tell her that the “NOT RICK OUSLEY” was indeed “RICK OUSLEY”. You would think they would be smart enough to for him and JOYCE OUSLEY to keep there mouths shut because they don’t know about who they are close to that are also talking and helping Donna.
Donna Says Hello to all and she will post and answer all that has been directed towards here good and bad LOL .:)
April 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Hi Ann,
I don’t think NOTRICKOUSLEY was Rick. Rick’s prose and grammar is far better. I do think, however, the person is part of the family.
Tell Donna “Hello” and take care of herself.
God Bless,
Kimberly
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pm
No problem — comments will remain open here, and if the thread gets too long, I’ll just start another one. Feel free to use both places if you like.
April 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Kathy, again ——————- thank you.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Kimberly:
>>Rick’s prose and grammar is far better
Not sure if that was a slam to me or a compliment to Rick…
I AM NOT a part of family - not realted, near-realted or was ever related… Never been “harmed” by Rick, have no knowledge of any deception by Rick, etc. etc.
Just an interested observer.
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Thanks Kathy for keeping this site going…
April 24th, 2007 at 7:26 am
I’ve known Ousley for many, many years. We have been very good friends, though separated through the years by many miles. Ousley is in my prayers to be certain, but, as a friend and supporter of Rick’s, I don’t think there’s any question that Rick is the predator and Ms. Jones the victim in this scenario. It is sad, sad, indeed.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:42 am
NOT RICK OUSLEY - (as quoted saying)
“I AM NOT a part of family - not related, near-related or was ever related… Never been “harmed” by Rick, have no knowledge of any deception by Rick, etc. etc.
Just an interested observer. ”
I have a few questions to ask about your entry above:
(1) Do you know Rick Ousley personally?
(2) Have you made any effort to read any of the entries in this bog or any others?
If you answered YES to any of the two questions above then your statement is WRONG. If you know Rick Ousley then he has harmed you by living a double life and making you believe he was somebody that he was not. He has lied to you because each time he opened his mouth it was one lie to cover the next or the last.
Next comment about that you have NO knowledge of any deception made me fall out of my chair laughing at how blind and stupid you must be or think that we are. There are now three pages of this blog alone that list hundreds of Ricks deception and let me add this is only the tip of the iceberg. If you check further there are several articles explaining Rick Ousley’s affair and life of deception. Your ignorance made me laugh but at the same time showed be you must be in Rick’s flock so I will pray for you.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:14 am
Comments seem to have slowed significantly on this topic. Has this become ‘old news’ around B’ham?
Since I’m away in Texas, I don’t know who Rick’s ‘honor guard’ is anymore, can anyone shed light on those that are supporting/surrounding him at this time?
April 24th, 2007 at 9:22 am
TSE, I was a little confused when I read your post. You have been so close to RO, yet you make the statement about Donna being the victim and RO being the predator. Why are you certain there is no doubt about this? From the blog, personal knowledge or just feelings from what you have known before?
If you do not mind, do you live in Texas?
Please tell us, specifically, what you mean by “nonor guard”.
I do not think the RO story is old news. It is my understanding that others are looking deeper into what has been going on with RO and BHC. I think because people are afraid to speak out, it is difficult to put the pieces together.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:25 am
BH Embezzlement—–
If there is anybody out there that has knowledge of the big dollar embezzlement by KS at BH, that is willing to share knowledge, please post.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:48 am
Sorry for the confusion. I’ve got to admit, I’m a little confused by all this as well. In short, based on the facts that have come to light, Ousley bears the greater responsibility for guilt. Sure Ms. Jones is at fault too, but Rick fostered this, and perpetuated it. Hence, he is the ‘predator’, in my opinion. I shared that with Ousley in a recent email, as well, I’ve gotten no response.
In the early 80’s, following Rick’s divorce, it wasn’t easy for him to get speaking/preaching opportunities. Some of us really believed in him, and in his incredible gifts, consequently, we used him whenever we could, and recommended him to others for Youth camps, retreats, revivals and such. Keep in mind, in the early 80’s, the fundamentalists were in the midst of their takeover of the SBC, and divorcees really did bear the ’scarlet letter’ in most circles. Rick’s ability to overcome the divorce in his past, was incredible, no question, God has used him to touch (no pun intended) a lot of folks. As Rick’s ministry grew, the circle of friends he confided in shrank considerably, to a very few. The ones I knew of were either not involved in Ministry, or were at mega-Churches. Rick became somewhat of a Christian celebrity. The last time I got the chance to visit with him for a few minutes, he was obviously very, very, exhausted. When I asked about slowing down, he said it just wasn’t his nature, that I knew that. I reminded him that the Ministry we used to be involved in didn’t make us tired, instead it energized us - he looked at me and said that it wasn’t the same anymore, that I wouldn’t understand. That was my clue. I knew Rick battled with temptation in area of women, but I really was convinced that he had won that battle long ago. I think I was wrong.
My interest now is in what may have happened in Ousley’s stops along the way, many of which involved people in Churches where I served. I will be Rick’s friend if he desires my friendship, however, I feel there may be some folks out there to whom I owe an apology for exposing to him.
I do live in Texas, central Texas to be exact. Oh, by “honor guard”, I meant those folks, ministers I expect, that are acting as Ousley’s protectors and shields through this. Ousley has never seemed to allow anyone to be his personal best friend and confidant, but I expect there are a few folks near him that are planning his ‘return’, I’d like to know who they are. I’d like to talk to them.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:01 am
TSE,
I too live in Central Texas.
You seem to be a truly caring person. It seems that all along you might have had some sort of “feeling” regarding RO’s, at that time, possibly inappropriate behavior??
Curious, can you share the spirit of what you might say to those ministers that may be around RO now?
Have you read all of both blogs?
Not judging you, just curious, since you seem to suspect that RO might have hurt others in his “stops along the way” why would you continue to be RO’s friend in light of what you have learned?
I thought your statment about RO not letting anyone be his personal best friend was interesting.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Hard to really pinpoint, but Rick just has incredible charisma. It seemed on a few occasions that many of the folks he attracted were women who were a little ‘ahead’ of their husbands in the area of Personal Faith and commitment to Christ. I’m not being sexist in this, but often those ladies are very vulnerable. And, I had some suspicions that Rick had taken advantage of that vulnerability.
I would tell those around Rick, that if they have two responsibilties in this scenario - #1 Priority - serve God, protect the Church, #2 Priority - be a friend to Ousley and give him wise counsel, help him find a job out of the Ministry.
I don’t mean to sound overly spiritual, but, my sins haven’t prevented Christ from being my friend, consequently, I can’t let Rick’s sins prevent me from being his friend. However, as his friend, I would not recommend him as a spiritual leader/preacher. He is maybe the most gifted in that area that I’ve ever known, but no longer qualified, in my opinion.
Let’s get specific now PTSD, where in Central Texas, what county? Who knows, we may be friends?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:36 am
TSE,
I do not feel that you are being sexist regarding vulnerable women. All those that are seeking a closer relationship to Our Lord can be vunerable because a) They may not understand scripture and gifts of The Holy Spirit (discernment); b) they do not understand that there are truly wolves in sheeps clothing that are trying to deter their spiritual journey. Most of the wolves are using their “gifts” for selfish reasons.
Remember, there will be no excuse for those sheep that follow the wolf over the cliff because ignorance is not an excuse. The Lord provides us keys to discernment. Much of the time, unknowingly, we try to make others into what we need them to be versus what they truly are.
From what we are learning, it is my opinion that RO was never truly a minister. From what we are learning, he has been acting for approximately 30 years; trying to live in both worlds. If you are not of God, what are you? Is there an in-between? (Of course, in my posts on these blogs I am only stating my opinion and am not stating anything as fact.)
Regarding friendship with RO, I an touched by your statement about God being your friend regardless. I will just say to you that sometimes we have to love from afar. It does not sound as if RO was ever really your friend. Also, remember, that RO must repent to all of those he impacted so negatively, including those that were/are his friends. From what I am seeing, he is not doing that.
Because you have or do work in the Church, I am relieved to hear that you would not recommend that RO be allowed to preach/teach/minister.
I know that those that have thought of themselves as RO’s friends are truly hurting over all of this; hurting for what they did not see. I am sorry for this for all of you.
Regarding my county, I would love to exchange that info with you but cannot do so on this blog.
Please contact Donna and put “PTSD’s Contact Address” in the subject line. Hopefully, she will pass the address I gave her to you. I urge both you and Michael to do this. If she does not respond, please let me know.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:37 am
TSE, we may be friends or neighbors. I do not know.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:43 am
PTSD, you may have mentioned or alluded to your connection to Ousley or this situation in previous posts, but I don’t recall what that was. Would you mind sharing a little of that info?
April 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
He played a significant role in our child’s estrangement from our family. We were an incredibly close family until RO and his associates/friends crossed our path. Thinking he was truly a minister we asked for counseling as a family. Instead, it appears that he, without knowing us, actually encouraged our child’s estrangement. (Of course, there is a lot more to our story. I am just giving you an idea of our situation.)
Why would a well-known “minister” of such an established church do such a thing? There is a lot more here than meets the eye and more than I can discuss at this time. This is when we realized that something was very wrong with RO and at BH. This happened many years ago. We still have no access to our child, whatsoever.
When a “minister” does this and does not tell the truth, red flags go up———-big time. I have suspected there was something very, very wrong happening at BH for many years. Turns out I was not mistaken.
I suspect that there is more that happened that has not yet been brought up. I believe that many are reading the blog and struggling with what they should do with what they know.
For my child, for our family, I have prayed every day that the truth be revealed, that RO and his associates/friends be brought into the light. Only part of this prayer has been answered. I am confident that God will do the rest. I am guessing that God is revealing it as He knows people can handle the information that is given.
Of course, I am not stating anything on this blog as fact, only as my opinion.
April 24th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
PTSD Mom,
Large dollar embezzlement? That was an old magicians trick….smoke and mirrors to hide the real truth. It fooled me for a while also.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Kate,
I wondered about that. Is it possible for you to elaborate? I know you would not be stating fact on this blog, only your opinion.
Please, this is important.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Kate, I wasn’t fooled. I suspected it as soon as I heard about it. If you can elaborate, please do. Somebody may be looking deeper into this.
That was an incredible amount of money and, if I understand correctly, there was no prosecution.
April 24th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
PTSD Mom, There was no prosecution. Everyone agreed to go to neutral corners. Isn’t it curious that this was never made public? This was for a reason don’t you think?
April 24th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Kate:
Why was there no prosecution?
Kimberly
April 24th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Kate,
How much money was involved? I heard A LOT, big numbers. Was this correct?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
TSE:
Did you know the real reason for Rick’s divorce from Deb?
Thanks,
Kimberly
April 24th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
PTSD Mom…
Was RO’s association with your child during the time he lived in Texas or after coming to BH’s?
I pray for everyone whose lives have been touched by this man. It really hurts when I think of all the weddings I attended at BH’s where he told the Bride & Groom, God’s way was one woman for one man, for life. He deceived all of us!!
April 24th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Broken Heart, she encountered RO and others while he was still at BH. I believe he has probably deceived a lot of people about a lot of things. Of course, I am not stating that as fact; only as my opinion.
April 24th, 2007 at 10:31 pm
Kate, you still there?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Still here
April 24th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Kate, I heard it was a million. Am I close or is that not true. What was the official reason that everybody went to their neutral corners?
Didn’t anybody think this was strange?
April 24th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
PTSD, 5 figures
April 24th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Kate:
How do you know it was 5 figures? (just wondering since it was another dark secret during Rick’s final years)
Kimberly
April 24th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Kate, high five figures or low five figures?
Okay, guys just how did they keep this big of a thing secret?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
PTSD:
I have no idea why there was no prosecution, or the exact amount embezzled. I’m curious too. I was a member then, but it was very hush-hush. Couldn’t get a straight answer from anyone. The little bit we heard through the BH rumor mill…was just that….a little bit.
We were told there was no prosecution because Rick didn’t want the church harmed anymore. Since the story of his infidelity broke public on 23March06, we have heard more. Just don’t know if it’s true.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
Both parties had information that would be damaging if made public.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:27 pm
It is surprising that so much was actually kept so “hush-hush” for so long. I am amazed that the elders of the church did not throw a fit to recover that money. Well, I guess it would not be good for the elders to throw a fit, but you know what I mean.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:31 pm
What kind of information could KS have had that was worth five figures? Did anybody think this strange?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Kate:
Thanks for answering. I would like to ask one more question. If you can’t answer, or don’t know the answer…okay…but I’ve wondered this recently….
Is it true the prosecution was dropped because there was a counter filed specifically naming Rick?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
PTSD Mom, Perhaps both had secrets that would have been damaging to each other?
April 24th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Kimberly, Bingo!
April 24th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
Kate:
That’s what we recently heard. It makes sense, knowing all the other stuff.
April 24th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
I had heard that some people thought there might have been some gambling involved. I thought that was what you were talking about.
So, let me get this straight. It was not about gambling, but something between just the two of them?
I still don’t think it makes sense. I agree with Kate that it looks like smoke and mirrors.
April 25th, 2007 at 5:23 am
Almod. I am too computer stupid to figure out how to sign in on your board. Can you help ?
April 25th, 2007 at 6:55 am
Kimberly, knowing what I know now - the answer is probably NO. I didn’t know the real reason for Rick and Deb’s divorce. We were told they married young, and before Ousley’s call to the Ministry, and, Deb just wasn’t interested in being a Minister’s wife.
PTSD: If you will go to other blog AlMod started, you can email me directly. I would love to visit off-line, I may have friends near you that can help.
April 25th, 2007 at 7:07 am
Ii can confirm that the the settlement was five figures as well. She had hired an attorney that was well known in the Bham area and would make a public spectacle of the case. That is why they decided to settle out (at least the official reason).
Ironically, I don’t think that they were able to prove embezzlement. It was suspected but I never heard if it was actually proven.
do not feel comfortable putting them on this blog. KS was a friend of mine and I lost touch with her over the years.
April 25th, 2007 at 8:16 am
Has there been any actual “news’ that’s broken in B’ham area concerning additional allegations and the like?
Gordon McGuire: What years were you at NPBC? That was a very interesting post you left the other day. I love your description of Jackson’s evangelistic techniques! We should visit.
April 25th, 2007 at 9:54 am
AFBH, The alleged embezzlement was 5 figures, there was no settlement. Both sides, with help from Judicial System, agreed not to discuss the case. It is interesting the alleged embezzlement was never proven by outside forensic auditors.
April 25th, 2007 at 10:37 am
TSE: I will try to log on to Almod’s blog. Will probably only be on the computer a little the next couple of days.
Michael: Please try to make contact with me on Almod’s blog.
Kate: Thank you for making the embezzlement thing a little clearer. Something about it still seems odd.
I have been told that there are reporters that are monitoring this blog, in efforts to put together other articles. Those of you that have information or leads that can be followed, come forward. Of course, they have to figure out facts, confirm statements, etc. It is my understanding that their sources will be kept confidential. One place to start would be with G. Garrison of The Birmingham News.
Guys, much of the time in our world there are those that integrate themselves into our society; portraying themselves as good people when they are quite the opposite. In this situation and in others, it appears that not only RO, but others may (MAY) fall into this category. Evidently, there has been a lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of deception. If you can in any way clear the smoke, please do. Many people have been hurt badly. It is time for the truth to be forced into the light.
Of course, on this blog I am not stating anything as fact, only my opinion.
April 25th, 2007 at 11:08 am
ALMOD BLOGGERS:
I just cannot figure out how to use that blog. I was able to set up an acct and can receive mail but could not figure out the different topics or how to post to the one topic I could view.. I guess everybody here has pretty much figured out that I am computer challenged. For me Almod’s blog is complicated and I do not have the time to try and figure it out.
Michael and TSE: please send to my mailbox over there.
April 25th, 2007 at 11:50 am
PTSD,
I am very interested in trying to help if I can. I’ve emailed you at the address you provided, but received no response. Please advise.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
You are right Kate, the alleged embezzlement was five figures and was never proven. As a matter of fact a staff member commented about the allegation never being proven about 8 months after KS was let go. This is just my opinion and I have no facts to back it up, but I never understood any motive for her to do that. There was also another ministry at Brook Hills called something like Runner’s Heart that disappeared about the same time that KS did. Nothing was ever heard about that ministry ever again.
I was referring to the suit against RO in my earlier post. My understanding was that the sides had reached a settlement of five figures. BH didn’t want RO to go through the media circus and that the costs of any type of trial would be expernsive so they worked out a settlement. That was my understanding of everything anyway. I could be wrong on that end.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
TSE: I did receive you message. Tried to respond by could not send because it showed some error report. Will shut this down and move back to the address and try again.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
TSE: Did receive your message. Have tried to answer twice. Both times it said that it could not send due to Error 999. ?????
Have company on the way and can only get on computer a little at a time. Will keep trying.
Thank you for responding to me.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
AFBH - 5-figure embez meets 5-figure settlement? Sounds like “I caught you, but you’ve got something on me, so just keep the cash and we’ll all just shut up about everything and go on about our business!” That reeks!
I feel dirty just having spent a fourth of my life there!
April 25th, 2007 at 2:23 pm
Where is Donna? Why hasn’t she been on?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
Hey former npbc member,
Were you at npbc when Ousley was on staff? If so, what was your opinion of Richard Jackson, and of his and Ousley’s relationship?
Another former Youth Minister at npbc is a old and dear friend, and I’ve not been able to get in contact with him about this, but I think he resides back in Phoenix. Any suggestions?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
TSE:
The story you were told(regarding divorce from Deb) was the story he told the “Public Brook Hills”. Yes, they did marry young. They were married for 9 years. So, you met Rick after the divorce?
Kimberly
April 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
TSE:
I knew Rick had a disdain for Richard Jackson. I thought it was a great twist of irony that after Rick’s official retirement, Richard Jackson came to BrookHills in October 2005 as guest pastor.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I met Ousley in 1981-82, it’s been along time, sorry I can’t be more specific. What’s your connection, Kimberly, if you don’t mind my asking.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Regarding NPB, I was told the “stuff” below. I have no personal knowledge and am not stating anything as fact. I am simply passing on what I have heard when I started looking into this.
I have HEARD that what was going on at NPB was bad; supposedly sexual encounters in the church, affairs, one child molestation and some implications of a large participation in a major embezzlement.
I have heard the RO could not stand Jackson. I have also heard that while RO was there, he was a participator.
Evidently, Richard Jackson ran a tight ship as far a “hush-hush” was concerned and there were serious repercussions for anybody that tried to cross him.
Jackson did fill in at BH one time.
I absolutely have no personal knowledge of the situation there. I am not stating anything as fact, just information shared with me.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
The two (Ousley and Jackson) are very similar in personality and style. Both fiercely competitive, I expect in more ways than we imagined. Jackson was/is a person who is absolutely ‘right’ in all that he says and does. Sound like anyone you know?
April 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Although these comments are merely my opinion, I do know both of these guys personally, have heard them preach in a variety of settings and seen them operate in a lot of different settings. Jackson left npbc under a cloud of suspicion but is still held in high, high regard by many. I can say with certainty that Jackson is/was very vindictive, although I never saw that side of Ousley. Jackson was never interested in helping other Churches much, just building his empire.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
TSE, this will continue if good people say nothing; if they turn their backs because they do not want to get involved.
The only way that any of this ugliness will end is that good, Christian people become links in the chain that God is providing in order to bring RO and associates into the light.
Good people have to have courage and speak up so these situations can be investigated. There should be no embellishment. It is simple, the facts are the facts.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
TSE
I was at NPBC the first 25 years of my life.(Until mid 90’s.) RO was on staff there early 80’s to early 90’s. Jackson did run a VERY VERY TIGHT SHIP. And RO didn’t like him to much. But it sounds to me that RO ran out and strt his own church in AL and ran it like Jackson.
April 25th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
TSE:
I met Rick early in 1992 when I first visted Brook Hills at the WMU. My husband and I joined Brook Hills in 1992.
Kimberly
April 25th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
FORMER NPBC:
Once upon a time, Rick told me several stories about NPBC. (Jackson) You are right, in the end of this tragic quagmire, he evolved/morphed into the very man he abhored.
Kimberly
April 25th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
Although this might be denied by many, the word out west(npbc) was that Jackson brought Ousley out to be his successor, and possibly groomed for SBC office. The former, Rick was interested in, the latter, not at all. I’ve heard that over time, as their competitivenss grew, Jackson found plenty of ammunition to fire at Ousley, but, that Jackson’s own indiscretions were his downfall. The major embezzlement scandal out there was I think on the periphery of the Staff, but no one principally involved. It was a huge deal, made national news, but was never really attached to Jackson. Jackson’s alleged affair to Ms. Vaugn was kept very quiet, although Jackson and his wife live about 3 miles from Ms. Vaugn now, and Jacksons office is next to Ms. Vaugns. Maybe nothing improper ever happened(s) but, no one around here really believes that
April 25th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
former npbc member,
Do you know the NPBC Youth Minister who would have been on staff in the late 70’s? Initials D.S.M.? I think he is living back in Phoenix.